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    blowdart

    , steve01 wrote

    Well, its hard to handle the facts. But im not afraid of Microsoft, i have paid loads of money and the support for XP is still active. Point 1 thing out i done that is incorrect!

    Well thinking support means you're going to get everything from Win8 back ported would be one thing that's incorrect Smiley

     

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    PaoloM

    , 01001001 wrote

    @Sven Groot:

    *snip*

    There was no such limiting clause in your original statement.

    Except for the user of the present tense, you mean?

     

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    steve01

    @blowdart:

    Its about 2-3 years since Microsoft stopped selling the OS Windows XP. So do you think its OK that IE8 not even can execute Javascript correct? Seems still no one get it in here, Microsoft WILL loose $ i they not upgrade IE8 to at least support basic Javascripts. All open free browsers support that + HTML5, and i promise you my company and all companys in my counrty i have contact with feels exactly the same way. MY recomendation to MY customers will be , never ever buy any Microsoft prooduct and start using free OS like Ubuntu IF they not upgrade the IE8. And thats not likely you experts in here say. Hence , ordinary people that buyed a computer 5 years ago dont think they have an old computer!

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    Sven Groot

    , steve01 wrote

    @blowdart:

    Its about 2-3 years since Microsoft stopped selling the OS Windows XP. So do you think its OK that IE8 not even can execute Javascript correct?

    IE8 did just fine when it was released. You can't complain that an eleven-year-old OS doesn't support the latest and greatest (well, obviously you can (and do) complain, but nothing will come from it).

    Seems still no one get it in here, Microsoft WILL loose $ i they not upgrade IE8 to at least support basic Javascripts.

    Got any figures to back that up? If you can offer concrete proof (not anecdotal evidence, which is all you've provided so far) that it would end up costing money, maybe MS would listen.

    And thats not likely you experts in here say. Hence , ordinary people that buyed a computer 5 years ago dont think they have an old computer!

    If they bought a computer 5 years ago they probably have Windows Vista.

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    spivonious

    Steve01 - Microsoft is not supporting IE8 anymore. Get over it. I fail to see how they lose money by not supporting something they gave away for free three years ago.

    Yes, lots of businesses are still running on XP. Guess what happpens when XP goes out of extended support next year. Nothing. Businesses will still be running XP, just like lots of businesses are still using DOS. When I worked for Blockbuster Video in college, their POS systems were using OS/2.

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    kettch

    @spivonious: There are a few reasons that I've seen for businesses still being on XP. It still works, so why upgrade until you need to replace the hardware. The LOB software is so ancient that it won't work on anything. In that case you need to fix it, upgrade, or find different softare. The last one, and more common than I'd like to think is stubborn and small minded IT people who are terrified of anything new.

    Of those, only the first two are legitimate problems. The last only requires the proper application of a blunt instrument.

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    steve01

    >If they bought a computer 5 years ago they probably have Windows Vista.

    Vista was sold at the time but MY customers backed to XP cause of all the problems with Vista at the time. I could show statistics from my 10 domains. What OS ppl are using and what browser they use. Obviously you in here dont have a clue about how man ppl still using IE8 and XP.

    >Got any figures to back that up?

    Sure, i sell about 100 computers a year , and i will change to another OS for my comming sales. Cause all the support issues i now get from old customers blaming me for XP/IE8 dont work on most webpages, they dont have the skills to setup new browsers and emailclients. I have to do that. So probably the next meaningless reply will be: So, your 100 computers is no big deal for Microsoft. Completely true, but im not alone as a company to do this. Do you want proof of this aswell ?

     

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    spivonious

    , steve01 wrote

    >If they bought a computer 5 years ago they probably have Windows Vista.

    Vista was sold at the time but MY customers backed to XP cause of all the problems with Vista at the time. I could show statistics from my 10 domains. What OS ppl are using and what browser they use. Obviously you in here dont have a clue about how man ppl still using IE8 and XP.

    >Got any figures to back that up?

    Sure, i sell about 100 computers a year , and i will change to another OS for my comming sales. Cause all the support issues i now get from old customers blaming me for XP/IE8 dont work on most webpages, they dont have the skills to setup new browsers and emailclients. I have to do that. So probably the next meaningless reply will be: So, your 100 computers is no big deal for Microsoft. Completely true, but im not alone as a company to do this. Do you want proof of this aswell ?

     

    So wait, you're upset that you get to sell new services to your customers? Better yet, offer to sell them a new computer running Windows 7.

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    kettch

    , spivonious wrote

    *snip*

    So wait, you're upset that you get to sell new services to your customers? Better yet, offer to sell them a new computer running Windows 7.

    I've found that the way people react to being upgraded to Windows 7 from XP is very much determined by the attitude of the vendor. I know somebody who begrudgingly upgrades customers, and it turns out that his customers are grumpy about the switch. I was worried about training issues when I started having customers who needed new computers, but I went into it with a positive attitude, and was very positive with the customers. Wouldn't you know it, they all universally love their new computers and have zero problems making the transition.

    Moral of the story: Expect trouble, and you'll get it.

    EDIT: I'm still glad I don't do support consulting any more. Development requires much less dusty spelunking under desks.

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    magicalclick

    While he is indeed trolling, or just getting angry and speaking irrationally. But, does MS SQL Server 2012 works on XP? I think so. Does IE8 and IE9 Tech Preview runs side-by-side? I think so. Does competitor able to support popular XP and latest OS? I think so.

    Should he switch to Chrome and never use IE again? Maybe.... because MS doesn't care about him. And why would he want to tell Chrome users to move to IE when IE doesn't work on so many Microsoft OS? The most logical answer is, use FF/Chrome all the way. The fact that he desire this is because he still cares about IE, but, that's an irrational reaction.

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    steve01

    Actully im not trolling. I dont have the time give to give tecnial support to my old customer, and i wont sell W7 cause the same thing will be repeated there withe IE9 , and in W8  IE10 ...

    I sell quite a lot of Mac notebooks to many old customers. Is it trolling to tell the truth?

    The main difference with Microsoft and Apple is that they dont turn their back on customers like Microsoft have done in this case. And like someone said , I DO like Internet Explorer and I DO think WinXP is the best windows OS ever made including all present versions.

    I leave u guys alone in your sandbox now, dont have time to argue with you!

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    fanbaby

    @steve01: I've heard that Chrome Frame (That's a complete chorme browser running inside IE) can be installed without admin privileges. So chrome frame:

    1. Brings html5 to your clients
    2. Very fast and easy install (similar to flash player)
    3. Doesn't require network manager to install or authorize it
    4. The shell is still IE, so favorites, settings, etc. work like before

    On a different note, it seems you blame Microsoft for this situation but not yourself or the person that designed this app that works only on windows xp or only on IE.

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    Geoffreyk

    @steve01:

    There is a bug with the the input box on this page when using IE8. Thank you for pointing it out. I am working on a fix right now and this problem will be fixed the next time we update the site.

     

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    JohnAskew

    , kettch wrote

    *snip*

    Moral of the story: Expect trouble, and you'll get it.

    +1; Added to my utility library. Kudos.

    @Geoffreyk: I had the Submit button within the input box until I upgraded to IE9... on Win7.. nice catch and response.

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    elmer

    , fanbaby wrote

    I've heard that Chrome Frame (That's a complete chorme browser running inside IE) can be installed without admin privileges. So chrome frame:

    1. Brings html5 to your clients
    2. Very fast and easy install (similar to flash player)
    3. Doesn't require network manager to install or authorize it
    4. The shell is still IE, so favorites, settings, etc. work like before

    In my (limited) experience, Chrome Frame is pretty flakey... and I've encountered lots of issues with it, resulting in me needing to uninstall it on all the machines I support.

    I've never even been able to get it to work reliably with Google's own AdWords and Analytics sites.

    I think you'd be better served to just install/use Chrome or FireFox than mess about with Frame.

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    evildictait​or

    This thread is tiresome.

    The answer is that IE10 won't be released on Windows XP. It's not going to happen. Deal with it.

    Also Apple don't turn their back on customers WTF? I have a PPC Mac that doesn't work because Apple dropped support for it.

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    steve01

    @steve01:

    There is a bug with the the input box on this page when using IE8. Thank you for pointing it out. I am working on a fix right now and this problem will be fixed the next time we update the site.

     

    No problem, i do cross browser test on my homepages to support ALL browsers since WinXP.

    I promised myself to not reply anymore, but since a site admin replyed i think my other points is considered aswell. I dont expect IE9 or IE10 on XP. Have i said that? I expect that Javascript should work for my old customers IE8 who is calling ME for support. Please stop saying "Get over it" I now using Chrome cause of  this sites bug. I will survive without IE8/OE , OK?  

    I made may point public on MSDN , and a Microsoft employe answered it. End of story!

     

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    steve01

    Actually this will be my last posting :

    From "Webalizer" on one of my domains today. Look on place #3

    Parts of my homepage cant be viewed without HTML5/Canvas.

    All those user has being denied some pages for 1 year cause of the limitation of Canvas in IE8, they dont seem to have "got over it"..

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    49893.84%Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64) AppleWebKit/536.11 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/20.0.1132.47 Safari/536.11
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    152981.16%Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1) AppleWebKit/536.11 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/20.0.1132.47 Safari/536.11

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