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HTML5 vs XP IE8 ???

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    PaoloM

    Maybe you should rewrite your homepage so it can degrade gracefully.

    Or you can keep wanting stuff that WILL NEVER BE DONE FOR YOU.

    It's a fairly easy choice fro this side of the pond...

    And yes, get over it already.

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    cbae

    , steve01 wrote

    *snip*

    Parts of my homepage cant be viewed without HTML5/Canvas.

    Don't use canvas.

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    steve01

    Once again 2 meaningless comments. Dont use canvas! Well actually in this case I dont use Canvas, its a hardware device that genarate a HTML5 page i embed in a iframe on this website. So there is nothing I can do. But i get dayly mails why they cant see that Page. I do show a JQuery-Dialog telling they are not using a HTML5 browser and should upgrade their browser, what more can I do? Like you are telling me its 2012 and i cant demand the hardware manufactory to use HTML 4 on their new products.

    @PaoloM : Get a life 

    Keep *bumping* the thread , i will answer all your newbie questions. Im sure Microsoft will be happy of your comments keeping this thread on the top 10 ! Thanx a lot !

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    evildictait​or

    Im sure Microsoft will be happy of your comments keeping this thread on the top 10!

    I think you massively over-estimate how much Microsoft cares about this thread, or this forum for that matter.

    The decision to keep IE-10 on Win8 and not allow IE-9 on XP was a board-level decision. It's not going to change no matter how much you stamp and shout.

    If your users want to use Microsoft's best free products, they'll need to keep their OS up-to-date.

    Otherwise there are plenty of non-Microsoft alternatives, and frankly Microsoft doesn't really care if you leave. It's not like you were giving them money anyway, since you clearly haven't bought an OS from them in the past five years.

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    spivonious

    You can use canvas, but you should downgrade gracefully. As your own statistics show, not everyone is running an HTML5 browser. Forcing them to upgrade or switch browsers is not very user friendly. I find that most users that are still on XP are less than web savvy and probably don't even know what HTML5 is.

    21.93% on Win7, 3.57% on Vista, 20.44% on XP, and 4.92% iOS.

    What about the other 49.14%?

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    Dr Herbie

    @steve01: You're more likely to get the hardware vendor to change their generated HTML5 than you are to get MS to update IE for XP machines. What has been their (the hardware vendor) response to this issue?

    Herbie

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    Bas

    , steve01 wrote

    Once again 2 meaningless comments. Dont use canvas! Well actually in this case I dont use Canvas, its a hardware device that genarate a HTML5 page i embed in a iframe on this website. So there is nothing I can do. But i get dayly mails why they cant see that Page. I do show a JQuery-Dialog telling they are not using a HTML5 browser and should upgrade their browser, what more can I do? Like you are telling me its 2012 and i cant demand the hardware manufactory to use HTML 4 on their new products.

    So basically people complain that they can't use your stuff on their outdated software, and you're telling them to upgrade.

    Why does this sound familiar?

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    steve01

    @evildictaitor

    Only did read the first line of your post, actually you dont know about the conversation i have with Microsoft in my mailbox. Do you? They are working on this pages IE8 bug because i was annoyed with it. Seems like they care about my points!

    @Dr.Hebie

    Good point but in this case its impossible for the hardware vendor to change, as they use most of the new HTML5 features to produce a small HTML.file. I totally agree that is not likely that microsoft will update IE8 to support HTML5. But hey i did give it a go !

    @ spivonius 

    Im not forcing the visitors to upgrade, actually im working on a different HTML4-page to present the same thing for all the IE8 users. So the HTML5 Dialog is just a temporary solution. Btw, the products i talk about is ControlByWeb.com hardware if anyone is interested. 

    @ Bas - Youre summary is very interesting.. sigh..

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    evildictait​or

    , steve01 wrote

    @evildictaitor

    Only did read the first line of your post, actually you dont know about the conversation i have with Microsoft in my mailbox. Do you? They are working on this pages IE8 bug because i was annoyed with it. Seems like they care about my points!

    Channel9 is another matter entirely. Channel9 should fix their site to work on IE8. This is easy for them to do, and involves no internal Microsoft politics.

    That is an entirely different matter to making IE10 available on Windows XP, which is hard and involves lots of internal Microsoft politics.

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    steve01

    Channel9 is another matter entirely. Channel9 should fix their site to work on IE8. This is easy for them to do, and involves no internal Microsoft politics.

    That is an entirely different matter to making IE10 available on Windows XP, which is hard and involves lots of internal Microsoft politics.

    Correct, but it is Microsoft employees that will fix the bug on Channel9 forum owned and supported by Microsoft™

    And you keep talking about XP - IE9/IE10 i have never ever expected that. But i think they should fix their Javascript bugs on IE8. Then the customers will buy Win7 - Win 8.

    And you said i havnt sold Microsoft products for the past 5 years. WTF? Have i ever said i didnt  sell W7 to customers until this day? I have sold W7 installed in my computers, the last one was delivered last week. But I dont like W7 and will continue to use XP Pro !

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    Sven Groot

    , steve01 wrote

    *snip*

    Correct, but it is Microsoft employees that will fix the bug on Channel9 forum owned and supported by Microsoft™

    Don't worry though, if they fix this bug there's still about a milion left to go around (seriously, forget IE8; this forum is seriously buggy regardless of browser).

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    evildictait​or

    , steve01 wrote

    *snip*

    Correct, but it is Microsoft employees that will fix the bug on Channel9 forum owned and supported by Microsoft™

    Channel9 developers != IE10 developers.

    Channel9 developers are allowed to make Channel9 work for XP.

    IE10 developers are not allowed to make IE10 work for XP.

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    JeremyJ

    , steve01 wrote

    And you keep talking about XP - IE9/IE10 i have never ever expected that. But i think they should fix their Javascript bugs on IE8. Then the customers will buy Win7 - Win 8.

    This statement makes absolutely no sense to me.  Why would fixing a bug in an old piece of software get people to upgrade to new software?  They could just upgrade to the new software and fix the issue without touching IE8.

    IE8 will not be fixed.  Period.  End of story.  If you want a fix then upgrade or switch to a different OS (for a ton of new issues). 

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    cbae

    , steve01 wrote

    Once again 2 meaningless comments. Dont use canvas! Well actually in this case I dont use Canvas, its a hardware device that genarate a HTML5 page i embed in a iframe on this website. So there is nothing I can do.

    Don't use that hardware device.

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    steve01

    @JeramyJ

    Your statement makes absoulutely no sense to ME.

    As Microsoft did sell XP until 2-3 years ago and IE8 was released 2008 iirc?

    So, customers are not likely to choose W7/IE9 when they cant log in to their bank pages to pay bills with the computer they bought 2 years ago. Do you change computer every year?

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    cbae

    , steve01 wrote

    *snip*

    But I dont like W7 and will continue to use XP Pro !

    You're from Germany, right? Maybe you'll understand this then.

    The owner of this vehicle:

    Generic Forum Image

    probably doesn't think too much of this car:

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    There are many reasons to like the first one more than the second one (about 4.4 million reasons, actually), but the owner of the first one isn't demanding that Daimler continue making parts for his vehicle.

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    steve01

    Lol, im not from Germany. They spell even worse than me.

    But you must be from either Poland or US right?

    For quoting the offtopic part :

    For you information, i can get parts to basically all old cars in US and UK.

     

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    cbae

    But you must be from either Poland,US right?

    Why would you assume that? Did I challenge your ability to write in Polish?

    For quoting the offtopic part :

    For you information, i can get parts to basically all old cars in US and UK.

    And? Re-read what I posted.

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