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Has anyone here used DevExpress XAF? Looking for Opinions.

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    JohnAskew

    What I don't like now is you holding my feet to the fire in C9's coffeeshop. I do not owe you a technical review of XAF. Go mind your own forums.

    You pirate this thread with a flood of your loyal users and have the last word by repeating the same question. That takes this from creepy to bullying doesn't it?

    Leave me alone Dennis. Resist replying.

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    spivonious

    @JohnAskew:Agreed. While I admire your efforts to understand why people don't like the product, you're coming off as that pushy salesman who won't let you leave the store until you buy the extended warranty.

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    Dennis​Garavsky

    Honestly, I expected such a reaction. And yes, of course you do not owe me anything. Stopped. Have a good time.

    I am not salesman, but rather a developer within the XAF team who does not like when people provide negative feedback (in fact I like criticism, but constructive) on his product without argumenting their positions and operating by real facts.

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    JohnAskew

    @DennisGaravsky: You cannot control the speech of others. Sorry it is personal for you.

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    spivonious

    @DennisGaravsky: No personal offense intended. I honestly don't remember specifics, and we aren't looking at XPO now. I believe it was related to stored procedure support in an Oracle DB, but that could be my memory confusing things.

    You need to accept that some people just won't like your product. It's tough, and it definitely hurts sometimes, but it's going to happen no matter what you do.

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    MJB001

    @JohnAskew: let's review what happened:

    user 1: do you know XAF? I have problems no one else has so it is not my problem

    user 2: no, maybe, well yes, 3rd party = evil = xaf evil

    user 3: yes, 3rd party = evil

    vendor & loyal users: why not try support first

    user 1,2,3 : go away

     

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    JohnAskew

    , MJB001 wrote

    @JohnAskew: let's review what happened:

    user 1: do you know XAF? I have problems no one else has so it is not my problem

    user 2: no, maybe, well yes, 3rd party = evil = xaf evil

    user 3: yes, 3rd party = evil

    vendor & loyal users: why not try support first

    user 1,2,3 : go away

     

    Gosh, I need to buy a license for XAF to stop the bullying.

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    Maddus Mattus

    @DennisGaravsky: the only good feedback is bad feedback, learn to cherish it!

    Pick out the points you think are valid and act!

    I suggest you stop your manic defense of the product and put your passion to work on it Wink

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    cbae

    , Maddus Mattus wrote

    @DennisGaravsky: the only good feedback is bad feedback, learn to cherish it!

    Bad feedback is bad feedback. There's not much value to be gleaned from either "Your product sucks!!!!" OR "Your product is awesome!!!! Can I drink your bathwater?"

    Constructive feedback that happens to be "negative" is good feedback.

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    Maddus Mattus

    @cbae: Thanks for the correction, you are ofcourse correct.

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    MJB001

    @JohnAskew:

    Gosh, I need to buy a license for XAF to stop the bullying.

    No need,  I'll leave this thread.

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    kettch

    I don't have any problem with other people using third party controls, I just won't do it any more. I've done the dance with Telerik, DevExpress, ComponentOne, and Xceed, and all of them fail in one way or another. Sometimes it seems as if in order to get one set of controls that work the way I need them to, I have to buy a package from everybody. Whenever a component doesn't do something I need it to, the developers always act like nobody would ever want something like that. Can somebody explain to me why there is not a single third party component vendor who can produce a product that has an out-of-the-box theme, or any theme at all, that looks even remotely like the default OS controls?

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    Maddus Mattus

    @kettch: they all re-invent the wheel somehow.

    I wonder how they will cope with win8.

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    kengliddon

    @sysrpl, @Maddus, I'm replying to this to support a request by Dennis to gather some support and give some objective feedback on people actually using XAF and not just expressing an opinion on it...

    I have a healthy client base with thousands of windows and web client users who are delighted with their investment, in one very recent example a customer who was doing the training inadvertently let out a "that's absolutely £$%^& fantastic!"

    Now for the puritans, if I delve into the support, commented coding, version control, examples, documentation et al, I'm sure I could cherry pick some examples where things have not been to my own subjective set of criteria, but on the whole I think you would be hard pressed to beat the time from design to deployment.. 

    As for the technical issues that have been highlighted, right tool for the right job eh!, join the conversations and solve the issues, simple.. "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like hard work."  Thomas A. Edison

    Btw, I would be more than happy to show you some real examples or arrange a conversation with you and the end users.  Contact me for a Webex..

     

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    Maddus Mattus

    Where do these guys keep coming from?

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    JohnAskew

    , Maddus Mattus wrote

    Where do these guys keep coming from?

    I don't know, but I'm reminded of the Borg from Star Trek.

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    Maddus Mattus

    , JohnAskew wrote

    *snip*

    I don't know, but I'm reminded of the Borg from Star Trek.

    Bet they program their nanobots using DevExpress framework Smiley

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    vesuvius

    , Maddus Mattus wrote

    Where do these guys keep coming from?

    My biggest annoyance is that even at StackOverflow competitors are rubbishing other products in non-technical ways trying to promote their products. People (DevExpress included) seem to think that we can't make our minds up ourselves , marketing people stick out like sore thumbs to developers.

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