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Has anyone here used DevExpress XAF? Looking for Opinions.

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    kettch

    I wonder if they are using one of those "reputation enhancement" services. I hear them advertised all the time. I've never looked at any of them, but they sound like Google-bomb as-a-service.

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    cbae

    @kettch: They should demand a refund if that's the case.

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    Maddus Mattus

    Ah well, we all know better,..

    If it looks to good to be true, it propebly is,..

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    MJB001

    @Maddus Mattus: Well, If I understand it correctly you were 'forced' to download the 2008 edition 2 weeks ago, the message gave me the impression that you never had used XAF before. This didn't stop you from posting the '260% message', which I found strange given your zero experience but then again to each his own.

    However, after two weeks of XAF bashing in the forum but also using XAF in real life (assuming your first post was read correctly) what is your experienced view about XAF? Maybe you could relate to all the other frameworks you implicitly referred to in your 260% message as having used?

    By the way, has anyone seen this message: http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/ASPNET-Out-Of-Memory-Problems

    Makes you wonder why it was reposted with a different title after 5 months, 7 months after it was posted in the same wording at the DevExpress support center.

    http://devexpress.com/Support/Center/Question/Details/Q365655

    Maybe sysrpl could shine some light upon his problem in this thread?

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    JohnAskew

    @MJB001: There's a load more folks helping sysrpl HERE than at the DevX support forum. One answer of "RTFM" from DevX? That's a reason to avoid XAF right there, and DevX altogether.

    Instead of bashing us for our honest opinions about XAF, why not help sysrpl ? Too hard ? XAF darkness? Go ahead and call sysrpl dumb or something if you want... he's still waiting for you...

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    cbae

    , MJB001 wrote

    By the way, has anyone seen this message: http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/ASPNET-Out-Of-Memory-Problems

    Makes you wonder why it was reposted with a different title after 5 months, 7 months after it was posted in the same wording at the DevExpress support center.

    http://devexpress.com/Support/Center/Question/Details/Q365655

    *snip*

    It makes me wonder why DevExpress hasn't fixed the problem yet after 7 months.

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    MJB001

    @cbae: "It makes me wonder why DevExpress hasn't fixed the problem yet after 7 months."

    Please show me what exact information Edward/sysrpl originally provided that could help determine the cause of his problems. Note: I am not saying that he hasn't a problem, nor that it is his fault but simply that he should have accepted the offer to submit a program displaying his problem and have it diagnosed for free. I've done it in the past and it works miracles if support has something other than 'it doesn't work' . That's not something special for XAF nor DevExpress nor <whomever> but that is helping people to help you. There have been 7 months and two threads on his initiative on Channle 9 about this subject, talk about wasting time and resources.

    @JohnAskew: There has not been any rely relevant help from anybody in this thread, it started as a complain and it turned into a shouting match. But lets be honest: nobody comes to the coffeehouse to get technical support, Edward merely wanted to vent his frustration in a public place. Maybe he did not even expect someone pointing to his original post at the DevExpress forums.

    As for XAF, frameworks etc. Everybody can do/use whatever he thinks is the best, I do not care. I do care about damaging a product I've come to appreciate by someone just 'to get even'  which is a moronic thing to do as he still has the product built in XAF.

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    JohnAskew

    You provided the link to the thread sysrpl posted HERE on C9. It has a lot of good replies.

    Go read your own link, dude. DevX has one reply to his thread: "RTFM".

    That's shameful and shows how WE got sysrpl's back and DevX only has his money.

    Help him. He lists plenty in the thread you provided and got loads of good suggestions from us. Heck you might learn from it and repeat one of the suggestions to him. Go on...

    Or shoot him another "RTFM", and call that your best effort...

    I do not blame sysrpl for setting XAF and DevX on fire.         RTFM.  

     

     

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    MJB001

    @JohnAskew:"To research this issue further, we need a project reproducing it that we can build and debug locally." That is a RTFM?

    It isn't sysrpl/Edward setting XAF and DevX on fire (or trying and making themselves look like fools in the process), it's the guys who suddenly got a different opinion instead of the usual cheers from like minded experts (I use the term expert loosely, dude).

    Ok, back to you, if possible something funny, the rude and the 'do no stalk' have worn off.

     

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    kettch

    , MJB001 wrote

    @JohnAskew:"To research this issue further, we need a project reproducing it that we can build and debug locally." That is a RTFM?

    Maybe not, but I'm generally happier with more code in my project that I'm able to step into. I can even step into the .NET Framework if I need to. It's very rare that I've done that, but each time it's been very helpful.

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    JohnAskew

    , MJB001 wrote

    Ok, back to you, if possible something funny, the rude and the 'do no stalk' have worn off. 

    This is not about me, dude. And what is your sentence saying? Bad grammer, you're nonsensical.

    I read the DevX thread, anyone can see there's an RTFM followed with a 'post your code'. Stellar.

    Compare that to the responses at C9 to the same post. Dozens of truly useful suggestions. No one dismissed him with rote "RTFM + post your code" condescension.

    The aggressive filibuster from DevX fan club members on this thread has been, and will continue to be, rude and stalkish. That hasn't changed.

    Did you ever help sysrpl. Do you care? Or is your only interest in bullying those who dis DevX XAF?

     

     

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    spivonious

    , JohnAskew wrote

    *snip*

    This is not about me, dude. And what is your sentence saying? Bad grammAr, you're nonsensical.

    Tongue Out

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    JohnAskew

    @spivonious: Obviously I have no problem with bad spelling?

    Expressionless

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    Maddus Mattus

    Can we make this a sticky?

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    Crono1981

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    MarcRobert

    I am a happy XAF user. XAF is the only solution that solves so many of my recurrent business application problems elegantly. For the rest of my problems, I solve them the usual way: with sweat, ideas, and hard work. What is good about this is that XAF leaves me the freedom to do it my way, in .NET and C#.

    I just hope that my competitors never ever find this marvelous XAF tool...

    After reading here the 5 pages of posts, I came to the conclusion that those criticizing XAF may need to learn about what it is to build a business application. Here is a video that tells a small part of what it is: A Gentle Introduction to XAF

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    @MarcRobert: Sounds like what you are saying is that if someone is critical of XAF then they must be lazy or incompetent.

    I don't know about you but the reason I buy a control set is so that it makes my work easier, allows me to deliver my product more quickly, and makes my product less expensive. If I have to "do it my way" more with XAF than a competing control set then I'm going with the other vendor. Work smarter, not harder.

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    kettch

    @MarcRobert: Considering that your only other activity on all of MSDN is to put a 5 star review on one of DX's products in the VS Gallery, I'm suspicious of your motives and doubtful that you are a real person.

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