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Hey Channel 9 and Microsoft Staff I have an idea for you

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    evildictait​or

    , DeathBy​VisualStudio wrote

    I know you don't speak for Microsoft but it's this sort of attitude that just keeps people that disagree responding again and again. Instead of adding more coals to the fire why not say "we've discussed the start menu to death. Let's move on."

    To me they are equivilent statements. I do not have a favourable or a unfavourable opinion of the Win8 start menu. I don't care. The point is that it's gone. I can't do anything about it for you, you complaining doesn't do anything about it for you, and discussing it here on C9 clearly isn't doing anything about it for you.

    That's what I mean when I say "the start menu is gone, get over it".

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    @evildictaitor: Your neutrality is lost in the message.

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    magicalclick

    Presentation 101, don't apologize you miss the line in the middle of presentation. So it is likely they already knew.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    figuerres

    , evildictait​or wrote

    *snip*

    The problem there is that if Microsoft makes the forum, it needs to be properly supported and maintained in order to avoid damaging Microsoft's reputation. At least when it's a third-party like uservoice or aerotaskforce, Microsoft can pick and choose issues to respond to and doesn't have to administer the site to make it shiny, work well, test it, de-spam it or de-toxify it if it becomes a massive hate-fest etc.

    Also it becomes a focus point for anti-Microsoft press; the headlines turn into "Microsoft's official complaints against Windows8 now reaches N!" or "people have asked Microsoft to re-introduce the start menu!" - even if X is small (like 1000), it's bad press that Microsoft is bringing on itself.

    If you're the head of PR at Microsoft and you open the newspaper in the morning to see "Microsoft Flagship Product XP now has people hating it on official Microsoft forum", and you investigate to see that Microsoft is, in fact, hosting a site almost solely dedicated to tearing apart its own products - what would you do?

    Sometimes you have to think about ideas from multiple angles. Yes, the site would probably be useful and have some useful feedback. But it would also almost certainly be used as anti-Microsoft ammunition by vested-interest journalists. If it were over-policed it would get bad press for "censoring" issues, if it were underpoliced it would rapidly gain more noise than signal or become utterly toxic.

    It seems that a better solution would be uservoice or something to do the legwork. Making it a Microsoft-branded feedback site sounds like a recipe for disaster.

     

    Just want to add this:  I do know / understand that it's a hard one: there are drawbacks to trying to do such a site  and there are drawbacks to not doing one.....

    IMHO MS has a lot to gain and a lot to lose both ways.  it's not a small simple thing to make a call on.   In one way even to have this thread might help *IF* some of the folks pass it on to MS that some folks feel strongly about the issue of how to get the feedback to them and that some folks with good intent and possibly some real world experience feel this.

     

    sometimes the anger comes out of the passion to get it right but having your hands tied. at least to "get it right" in the POV of the poster, still might be wrong but that's another part of the story.

     

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