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    giovanni

    I just run into this announcement of a new all-in-one PC from HP. As it appears from the comments, I am not the only one who thinks most of the design looks "familiar". I mean, we are talking about HP, not a small garage business; can't they hire a decent designer with some imagination? A 20 years old industrial designer fresh out of college has more imagination than that!

    Innovating is possible and I think Surface proved it!

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    ManipUni

    I agree everything new should be totally original. I mean cars with four doors and seats?! Why not a standing car? And why have doors when you could just climb in through the roof via a step-ladder?   

    Just hire some designers Ford, you lazy thieving gits.  

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    evildictait​or

    This is why I ride this to work every day:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19506130

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    cbae

    Yeah, how dare HP copy this keyboard from MYCARRYINGCASE. Smiley

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    Harlequin

    Makes sense to me having track pad for desktop. Who is going to reach out and pinch/zoom/swipe on their 27" screen.

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    DCMonkey

    Well, from the side and back it looks a lot less like an iMac. But that unfortunate high angle shot definitely makes it look like it has a bent metal base like the iMac and Apple displays. And the silver mini keyboard and magic trackpad don't help.

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    magicalclick

    I think it is a good move.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    When my tablet is docked I use mouse + keyboard 99% of the time. It's much quicker to move the mouse a few millimeters than reach up to the screen. The touch pad may not be a bad idea per what Harlequin said.

    That said for some of the new, Modern apps they may feel some pain as Sinofsky's statement of "write for touch and get mouse & keyboard for free" is a load of crap. Some apps don't support horizontal scrolling with the mouse wheel (and that's when there is only horizontal scrolling available).

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    cbae

    , DCMonkey wrote

    Well, from the side and back it looks a lot less like an iMac. But that unfortunate high angle shot definitely makes it look like it has a bent metal base like the iMac and Apple displays. And the silver mini keyboard and magic trackpad don't help.

    Having a single bent metal piece instead of two separately machined pieces that require being bolted, welded, or ultrasonically fused together is just common sense engineering. It's not some magical design principle that Apple invented.

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    magicalclick

    @cbae:

    Well, honestly, I can make different shapes of single bent metal piece. I like HP's approach even though it does feel like they didn't even attempt to make different shapes.

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    CaRDiaK

    Decent looking machine. Personally when it comes to desk top I'd rather be touching the trackpad then the screen anyhow.

    I like it Big Smile

    We can only see a short distance ahead, but we can see plenty there that needs to be done.
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    cbae

    Having looked at all the different images again, I can say that this computer bears little resemblance to any Apple product other than color. The base of the monitor looks completely different, and even the keyboard is vastly different. The keys are different colors (silver keys vs white keys), and the profile looks nothing like Apple's.

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    kettch

    @CaRDiaK: Has anybody seen if these new trackpads will support the edge gestures? Scott Hanselman had an Ultrabook reference unit for a while and once he got the drivers working it was pretty sweet to have all the touch gestures work from the track pad.

    The NFC in the base is pretty cool. Somebody needs to build a track pad or keyboard that can add NFC to anything you hook it up to.

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    Sven Groot

    , ManipUni wrote

    I agree everything new should be totally original. I mean cars with four doors and seats?! Why not a standing car? And why have doors when you could just climb in through the roof via a step-ladder?   

    Just hire some designers Ford, you lazy thieving gits.  

    I had a friend who complained the Boeing 787 still looked like a tube with wings... Perplexed

    Yeah, I'm sure Boeing would love to make a blended wing body aircraft; too bad that's not remotely practical. And Boeing actually did start out with much more radical concepts for the 787, but airlines preferred a more traditional design, with better fuel efficiency rather than increased speed.

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    evildictait​or

    , Sven Groot wrote

    *snip*

    I had a friend who complained the Boeing 787 still looked like a tube with wings... Perplexed

    Yeah, I'm sure Boeing would love to make a blended wing body aircraft; too bad that's not remotely practical. And Boeing actually did start out with much more radical concepts for the 787, but airlines preferred a more traditional design, with better fuel efficiency rather than increased speed.

    And there's the problem of needing airports to match your airplanes as well.

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/07/airbus_smarter_skies/

    It is possible that future landings will also be more complex. Airbus postulates that aircraft could land directly on a moving platform which would then shuttle it off the runway and to the airport building without needing to restart the engines. Since this would require every aircraft and airport to be outfitted with such a system, the European plane manufacturer admits this is quite a long shot.

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    AndyC

    , kettch wrote

    @CaRDiaK: Has anybody seen if these new trackpads will support the edge gestures? Scott Hanselman had an Ultrabook reference unit for a while and once he got the drivers working it was pretty sweet to have all the touch gestures work from the track pad.

    I think it's a pretty safe bet to assume they will.

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    Bass

    Very hard.

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    GoddersUK

    @Bass: +1

     

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