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I finally bought a Windows RT tablet against my better judgement

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    11101110

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/181237336876

    Really i got it out of curiosity, but in reality it will be written off as a QA device to help test the .000000000001% market segment viewing ads on this obscure set of user agents. I would rank it up there with Opera browser users on iOS in segment share.

    Is this a waste of QA money, sure, but certainly less wasteful than other stuff. I guess. Can't wait to see this thing in action.

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    cbae

    That's a good price. I sold my Surface RT on eBay only 5 months ago for $450.

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    Dr Herbie

    Just don't expect any more functionality that you would get on an iPad -- so many people seem to expect RT to be full windows.

    Herbie

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    11101110

    Essentially, for the official purpose it was purchased for, all the tester has to do is open it, navigate to a couple web pages, see that the ad loads, inspect the DOM to make absolutely sure the person is being tracked for ad choices, ect, and put it in a bin and not use it again until the next build.

    Hopefully Microsoft didn't put the default don't track options that iOS 7 has in Safari. Though since it's Microsoft, I doubt they would deprive the ad industry of that gem.

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    PaoloM

    And how do you plan to inspect the DOM?

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    magicalclick

    I am not sure how the do not track works. I mean, they download the pic from your server, so, how can they tell you to track the image is downloaded? When the user click the ad, it also goes to your URL.

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    11101110

    magicalclick wrote

    I am not sure how the do not track works. I mean, they download the pic from your server, so, how can they tell you to track the image is downloaded? When the user click the ad, it also goes to your URL.

    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2423635,00.asp

    Scope:

    http://www.aboutads.info/choices/

    (once the ajax on this page loads you will crap your pants. This is how Ad companies make billions, plus a little hadoop in the background hashing concurrently)

    There is however a difference between in app advertising and DOM based web advertising as cited in the article. But in the end they all end up in the same stream to buyers.

    And how do you plan to inspect the DOM?

    iOS has a bookmarklet for Safari:

    http://osxdaily.com/2012/03/30/view-source-safari-ipad-iphone/

    I am hoping the browser on Surface has some developer tools or something to inspect the DOM and maybe a net tab or some type of Firebug-like functionality. If not I'll hack something together, or just dump the packets going to the device over the LAN if it has to be that way.

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    Sven Groot

    You can get to the desktop version of IE on Surface RT. Not sure if that has F12 tools or not. I'm fairly sure the metro version has nothing in the way of tools.

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    RealBboy360

    Well you can RDP to a windows 8 or 7 computer, plus it gives you office for free.  I'm just gonna get the Nokia 1520 phablet when it comes out.

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    Dr Herbie

    @RealBboy360: It's also perfectly good for streaming media, web browsing or web-based gaming. And it's fairly robust so you can let kids play with it without much worry.

    We actually do get quite a lot of 'casual' use out of ours.

    Herbie

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    Ian2

    It's a great device and at that price it was a steel.

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    babelshift

    , cbae wrote

    That's a good price. I sold my Surface RT on eBay only 5 months ago for $450.

    That person got ripped off.

    , 11101110 wrote

    I am hoping the browser on Surface has some developer tools or something to inspect the DOM and maybe a net tab or some type of Firebug-like functionality. If not I'll hack something together, or just dump the packets going to the device over the LAN if it has to be that way.

    There is no functionality related to developer tools in the RT version of IE. Desktop mode I believe has F12 Developer Tools options, however.

    Also keep in mind that plug-ins are not supported at all on Surface RT. That includes Java, Flash, Silverlight and other add-ons that you would normally expect to work in IE.

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    bondsbw

    , babelshift wrote

    Also keep in mind that plug-ins are not supported at all on Surface RT. That includes Java, Flash, Silverlight and other add-ons that you would normally expect to work in IE.

    Actually as I understand it, Flash does work now.

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    Massif

    @Dr Herbie: I don't know; aside from being a pretty handy productivity tool (my wife used hers as her sole laptop, and still calls it her laptop...) It beats the pants off an iPad when it comes to media sharing. I was sharing photos to a smart TV this weekend, the iDevices were hopeless, ages trying to find the right app, and most of them didn't work, the Surface was three clicks. Charms -> Device -> TV.

    I'd say WinRT has a good bit more functionality that iOS (in my limited experience of iOS).

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    Jim Young

    , babelshift wrote

    Also keep in mind that plug-ins are not supported at all on Surface RT. That includes Java, Flash, Silverlight and other add-ons that you would normally expect to work in IE.

    The RT browser has an embedded Flash plugin. Flash sites work great on both the tablet and desktop versions. How else would I watch HBOGo and MaxGo Wink

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    babelshift

    , bondsbw wrote

    *snip*

    Actually as I understand it, Flash does work now.

    , Jim Young wrote

    *snip*

    The RT browser has an embedded Flash plugin. Flash sites work great on both the tablet and desktop versions. How else would I watch HBOGo and MaxGo Wink

    It's variable. According to the Microsoft marketing:

    "Adobe Flash is supported for many websites on Surface RT and Surface Pro." (http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-us/support/web-browsing/browse-the-web-with-internet-explorer)

    I interpret this to mean that there are sites that are not supported.

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    Jim Young

    I interpret this to mean that there are sites that are not supported.

    I have yet to find one. Originally Flash access was driven by a white list that Microsoft controlled, although the technically adept could edit it. The white list requirement was dropped some time ago.

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    RealBboy360

    , babelshift wrote

    *snip**snip*

    It's variable. According to the Microsoft marketing:

    "Adobe Flash is supported for many websites on Surface RT and Surface Pro." (http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-us/support/web-browsing/browse-the-web-with-internet-explorer)

    I interpret this to mean that there are sites that are not supported.

    Yes, they have to add the sites.  This is the really bad thing about the RT/Metro.  It also doesn't support Silverlight which is another Sinofsky.  But that's another thread.

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