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I thought Microsoft doesn't understand tablets.

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    cbae
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    W3bbo

    I'm genuinely surprised they went ahead with this.

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    Bass

    They seem to understand that iOS and not WP7 is worth developing for. Smiley

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    Ian2

    Kudos to BING & bodes well for Windows Tablet and next WP7 update.

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    cbae

    , Bass wrote

    They seem to understand that iOS and not WP7 is worth developing for. Smiley

    Or they understand that a Bing app for tablets would never fit on a WP7 display.

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    Bass

    , cbae wrote

    *snip*

    Or they understand that a Bing app for tablets would never fit on a WP7 display.


    The comments of the article you posted say it all.

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    Setag_Yrneh

    @cbae: Making iPad friendly pages or iPad friendly applications for existing websites is not a way to go.

    It's duplication of work and it costs various companies hundreds of millions in developer hours, design time and management.

    What we need is a XSLT style standard transformation for different displays.

    We need a standard that says if you code your HTML page using these constructs, this style transformation will automatically make your web application viewable and nicely formatted to iPad, Xoom and other tablet devices and mobile devices automatically without any further work.

    The transformation should also convert hover states to non-hover states for touch devices and warn when you use flash, or any ActiveX style plugins as they are deprecated post 2005.

    What is the iPad? It's a different screen resolution, and nothing more.

    The fact that we have to have

    1. A sit down PC website design
    2. A mobile site
    3. An iPad site

    Developed for any given website shows the sad state of technology today. No one at Microsoft or any other company had the foresight to even consider different screen resolutions in the past 20 years. What great developers!

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    Bass

    @Setag_Yrneh:

    You can write iOS app in pure HTML/JS (and even have them put in the app store). One trick would be to just make a URL with a custom iPad CSS and put that out as an app. Who knows, maybe that's what this Bing app is. Smiley

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    cbae

    , Bass wrote

    *snip*


    The comments of the article you posted say it all.

    The only thing it says is that the commenters can't understand that the best way to get attention for your "tablet-focused" work is to go after the biggest market segment. The next time Microsoft releases software for tablets, say, maybe an OS for tablets, people using fruit-logoed products may pay attention.

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    Setag_Yrneh

    @Bass: Custom CSS can be used with iPad, but often times the page DOM elements literally can not even possibly be re-arranged using CSS into a mobile or an iPad friendly website no matter what combination you shift and style the DOM elements in. Much less have them look good after that style transformation.

    That's why we need some type of standard.

    <link rel="stylesheet" media="only screen and (max-device-width: 1024px)" href="ipad.css" type="text/css" />

    This is fine for very simple web pages, but does not work for most web applications we are used to now adays. It doubly doesn't work for mobile devices like smart phones.


    Companies like Microsoft, Adobe and Apple have vested interests in making web development harder, not easier so they can sell you more solutions to the problems they themselves created for you. So in that respect, they probably will never put resources into creating a smart solution.

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    Bass

    , cbae wrote

    *snip*

    The only thing it says is that the commenters can't understand that the best way to get attention for your "tablet-focused" work is to go after the biggest market segment. The next time Microsoft releases software for tablets, say, maybe an OS for tablets, people using fruit-logoed products may pay attention.

    Tablet OS? You mean like Windows XP Tablet Edition? I got that on one of my tablets. That was a smashing success I guess.

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    Bass

    @Setag_Yrneh:

    I think it's possible if you design your website right (ie. no formatting in the HTML). CSS3 and what not just makes it easier.

    You can also do XSLT transforms on the server side if needed.

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    Bass

    An oldie but still relevent: http://www.csszengarden.com/
    Shows what you can do with just CSS, and we are talking about a subset of CSS compared to what modern mobile OSes support (CSS3).

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    cbae

    , Bass wrote

    *snip*

    Tablet OS? You mean like Windows XP Tablet Edition? I got that on one of my tablets. That was a smashing success I guess.

    I said "next time". I guess your urge to be a douche overcame your ability to read.

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    Bass

    , cbae wrote

    *snip*

    I said "next time". I guess your urge to be a douche overcame your ability to read.

    Okay maybe "next time". But I don't have a crystal ball about the success and failure of company initiatives. Otherwise, I'd be very wealthy.

    Also I suggest to read or reread the Channel 9 Code of Conduct. Thanks.

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    cbae

    , Bass wrote

    *snip*

    Okay maybe "next time". But I don't have a crystal ball about the success and failure of company initiatives. Otherwise, I'd be very wealthy.

    Also I suggest to read or reread the Channel 9 Code of Conduct. Thanks.

    I made a comment about your desire to be a feminine hygiene product, not a statement about whether or not you've succeeded in your endeavor. If that's against the code of conduct, I'll rephrase my words next time.

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    Setag_Yrneh

    @Bass: Yes, of course it's possible, but it's not popular or easy.

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    Bass

    , cbae wrote

    *snip*

    I made a comment about your desire to be a feminine hygiene product, not a statement about whether or not you've succeeded in your endeavor. If that's against the code of conduct, I'll rephrase my words next time.

    That just brigtens my day. Well I am glad you consider me a female hygine product and not this. Perplexed

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