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IE is Back!! Internet Explorer 9 RC Is coming

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    magicalclick

    My magic bing 8 ball Tongue Out

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    Blue Ink

    @magicalclick: 70% seems too high. Even assuming that only 30% would find the command so cleverly hidden in the Tools menu, you would then have to consider:

    - all the people who never print a webpage and don't care anyway

    - all the people who know how to right-click

    - all the people who just go Alt+F P out of muscle memory

    - all the people who saw Eddie Izzard's "Glorious". (if you really must, you can skip the first 3 minutes)

     

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    intelman

    Yeah the editor here at C9 seems kinda odd. It wouldn't let me type for a bit. Hopefully this RC uninstalls cleanly. Liking it so far, but Firefox 4 Beta 11 might have already won me over.

    Having spellcheck everywhere along with adblock kind of is addicting. No matter how good IE9 is, it is hard to go back to something without those features. Especially since Firefox has a nice clean look, as well as GPU Accleration and DirectWrite.

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    Bass

    I can't wait for IE6 and IE7 to finally die. Even if everyone just switched to IE8 it would be a massive improvement.

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    littleguru

    Oh... I love the RC. Actually the whole IE9 is very nice. Clean UX. No cluttering. The website is in the center, everything else stepped back. So nice.

    I wonder why they added the ability to bring all the bars from IE8 back... is anybody actually doing that?

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    Sven Groot

    , littleguru wrote

    I wonder why they added the ability to bring all the bars from IE8 back... is anybody actually doing that?

    Considering my dad still has the menu bar visible by default in IE8, it's likely he'll do exactly the same thing in IE9 also.

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    kettch

    @Blue Ink:ALT+F P? That's 50% too many keystrokes.

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    Sven Groot

    CTRL-P works too, you know. ALT-F P is just the old menu mnemonic.

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    Blue Ink

    @kettch: CTRL+P is mentioned profusely in the video I linked (and that's why I linked it).

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    blowdart

    Just noticed firefox doesn't have a print button either. Oh noes, firefox can't print.

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    elmer

    @littleguru:Business users. Changing the UI and expecting users to adapt, is not something an IT Manager or CIO of a large business wants to hear.

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    vesuvius

    @elmer:I still do not use the Win 7 grouping taskbar and have mine like Vista and XP. I have tried to change, but my navigation paradigm is better suited to previous versions.

    I guess people take to using software, like riding a bike, or driving a car. You become used to where things are, and operate thoughtlessly when doing something. Software has the virtue of not always expelling users when new versions come out that are inured to the previous, though it costs more to develop and support and more importantly for business teach and pay people for little to no value in return. Hoe does IE 7, 8 or 9 make their employees more productive?

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    magicalclick

    @Blue Ink: that basically means noobs all switched to other browsers. Big Smile I don't  have the prove, but , I think from the dumb user perspective, while I am still not at their level (none right click style), my impersonation of them is not too far away. You certainly will not believe me, but, I have worked with them and I learn from them.

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    BitFlipper

    I think the easiest solution for this problem is to stop requiring just one version of IE on Windows. I realize this is because "it is integrated into Windows", and while I understand the rendering engine's role in Windows, it is total bull that there can be only one. How is it that you can have whatever version of IE installed, and at the same time have one of the IE platform previews installed? They work perfectly side-by-side.

    MS should start treating IE as a full standalone app. Then you can have your main IE (which also provides the required OS rendering support), and one or more additional versions of IE. Let's say you install IE9 which is now your main browser. In addition, you also install IE6 but it's zones are configured to only allow intranet connections. Then people can use IE9 to browse on the internet, and use IE6 to use all those old LOB applications.

    Can someone explain to me why this won't work (other than removing the artificial restriction of preventing multiple versions of IE)?

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    magicalclick

    @BitFlipper:

    I agree, I have been advocating that a lot and a lot of people kept saying it is bad. I don't care. Supposedly .Net already solved DLL hell, IE preview is fine, and I want to have multiple versions installed.

    They always blah on applications using it and depends on it, but, honestly, I am sure the application can be locked to a specific version using few lines of code.

    It is like those appLocale excuses. Most of time applications don't talk to each other. I just want to play Japanese game for God's sake, and most people do the same. But, we are forced to restart Win7 (XP is ok) to change language. And the app is just a stand alone game.

    Excuses over excuses.

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    littleguru

    @Sven Groot: Interesting. But I guess it's old habbiets Smiley

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    MasterPi

    It's been fast at everything I've thrown at it (including some Chrome tests from Chrome Experiments) except for this particular example: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/621993/voronoi/voronoi.html

    In this case, it works much faster in Chrome. Any one have any thoughts as to why?

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    androidi

    There's bunch of 'edge cases' which the team don't seem to think much of. eg. certain setting in css will make it crawl for no apparent reason. And TBH as long as the text is fuzzy in so many cases I couldn't really care less if everything else was perfect about it. I've been skipping testing IE9 and will continue until the grand announcement comes that they fix the text rendering, since otherwise any testing will be a waste of time. Why test something that *no one will use?

    * I compared the IE9 rendering to Opera and imagine my surprise when I saw that Opera also renders its text just as poorly. IE8 seems to be in a class of its own in rendering text on currently available displays. I'm really disappointed by this revelation since if the agenda is to "standardize" then that can only mean "lowest common denominator" ie. all browsers will render text unreadable to make web designers happy = have text layout perfect rather than have it readable.

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