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    Sven Groot

    I'd be very interested to know why this is taking so long. I was really expecting it to be ready at the same time as Win8 general availability. Isn't it basically just identical to the Win8 desktop version, minus enhanced protected mode?

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    Bas

    Ars Technica speculates that IE10 might depend on Direct3D 11.1, which would mean they'd either have to rebuild that part to run on Direct3D11.0, or they're porting Direct3D 11.1 to Windows 7.

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    Sven Groot

    , Bas wrote

    Ars Technica speculates that IE10 might depend on Direct3D 11.1, which would mean they'd either have to rebuild that part to run on Direct3D11.0, or they're porting Direct3D 11.1 to Windows 7.

    But there were IE10 technical previews for Win7 before. Unless the D3D part is in the chrome (which wasn't in the previews) and not the browser itself, that's not it.

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    ZippyV

    Maybe they switched the renderer to use D3D 11.1 during development.

    I find it unacceptable that the IE team stays completely silent on this matter. They do more damage by staying silent than saying what the reason behind the delay is.

    Also, if Windows Phone 8 is already RTM it means IE10 for WP8 must have already been finished too.

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    evildictait​or

    , ZippyV wrote

    I find it unacceptable that the IE team stays completely silent on this matter. They do more damage by staying silent than saying what the reason behind the delay is.

    You say that, but in my experience, everything that Microsoft says about anything always gets badly interpreted and turned into an anti-Microsoft hate-fest. And anything about IE is like that, x10.

    Microsoft don't speak to the community because every time they do they get burned.

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    figuerres

    , evildictait​or wrote

    *snip*

    You say that, but in my experience, everything that Microsoft says about anything always gets badly interpreted and turned into an anti-Microsoft hate-fest. And anything about IE is like that, x10.

    Microsoft don't speak to the community because every time they do they get burned.

     

    I do have to agree on that ....   they have a really hard time with talking to folks they get hate when they talk and they get hate when they do not talk....  has to suck to work for Microsoft if you want to share any kind of news with folks.

    And i think that must have some toxic effects on how they make decisions and stuff..... 

    you need some good outside input sometimes to get the big picture.

     

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    Blue Ink

    , evildictait​or wrote

    *snip*

    You say that, but in my experience, everything that Microsoft says about anything always gets badly interpreted and turned into an anti-Microsoft hate-fest. And anything about IE is like that, x10.

    Microsoft don't speak to the community because every time they do they get burned.

    That's unfortunately right, but then I don't see why they keep up ieblog with anonymous commenting. Trolling is to be expected, especially for a controversial product like IE; without proper handling, the noise destroys whatever value an open blog brings.

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    contextfree`

    lol, they can deal with the hate, trust me.

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    magicalclick

    Based on the decline of IE usage, I dont think delay matters.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    Sven Groot

    , magicalclick wrote

    Based on the decline of IE usage, I dont think delay matters.

    That's exactly why it does matter, if MS wants to have any chance of stopping that decline.

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    magicalclick

    @Sven Groot:

    you don't need IE10. IE9 is basically the same. IE10 is not going to change the way people's impression. IE will keep declining at same rate regardless IE10. I will spare the details why it fails, they are obvious and still subject to debates.

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    daSmirnov

    IE9 isn't "basically" the same.  Sure IE may keep shedding market share - at this point purely for fashion reasons, I'd argue its superior to anything else out there.

    Chrome just doesn't have the perf for a lot of things - I've had to scale back CSS animations on websites lately because Chrome just crawls along.

    Unfortunately IE is just hated - by people who haven't used it in 5 years.

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    ZippyV

    At the moment IE scores best of all browsers on javascript compliance:

    http://test262.ecmascript.org/

    Only 8 errors. Firefox: not a single fix since the last 5 versions, Safari can't even run 1000 tests in less than an hour on my Mac Mini and Chrome has also more errors than IE10.

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    magicalclick

    @daSmirnov:

    @ZippyV:

    A pack is as strong as their weakest, a common phrase. IEs will continue to fall because they just left the weakest to rot.

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    MasterPi

    @magicalclick: Wouldn't that imply that with the weakest gone, the "pack" of IEs are stronger than ever (which is a further extension of the saying)? Big Smile

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    magicalclick

    @MasterPie:

    Sadly that's only an unrealistic dream based on their current model. Even if they managed to kill off the weakest, the second weakest IE is still going to drag down the pack.

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    Ion Todirel

    , magicalclick wrote

    @Sven Groot:

    you don't need IE10. IE9 is basically the same.

    IE9 does not remember the tabs you had opened in the previous session

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    Craig_​Matthews

    In the new version of IE, if you have to end task on the browser because a plugin or some javascript went nuts, does it still erase all of your saved passwords or did they fix that?

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