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IE10/IE10 Metro

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  • Harlequin

    So will Windows 8 have two kinds of IE 10? I saw that IE 10 Metro won't have any plugin capabilities(e.g. no Flash/Silverlight). So does that mean when Metro is turned off and you're on a normal desktop there's a "normal" IE 10 that does do plugins?

  • felix9

    yes. you dont need to 'turn off' metro, just go to desktop and start the normal IE.

  • Harlequin

    I haven't found anything that suggests that the Metro and desktop IE 10's are different. Can IE 10 on the desktop run Silverlight plugins?

  • figuerres

    ,Harlequin wrote

    So will Windows 8 have two kinds of IE 10? I saw that IE 10 Metro won't have any plugin capabilities(e.g. no Flash/Silverlight). So does that mean when Metro is turned off and you're on a normal desktop there's a "normal" IE 10 that does do plugins?

    are you saying that you do not see plugins in the preview or do you see something that says the final planed release will not allow them ?

    after all they have said many times that the preview does not have all the planned features and IE 10 is also a preview build on a preview OS build.

  • cbae

    ,figuerres wrote

    *snip*

    after all they have said many times that the preview does not have all the planned features and IE 10 is also a preview build on a preview OS build.

    Yo, dawg. I herd you like to preview browsers. So I put a preview browser on a preview OS, so you can preview while you preview.

    Sorry. I couldn't resist. Smiley

  • Harlequin

    No, the "IE 10 Metro" will be HTML5 only, like Safari on the iPad. No plugins, no Silverlight, no Flash.

    I'm wondering if the "desktop version" of IE 10 has the same limitations.

  • Jurion

    No, I installed flash 11 on desktop version without problems

  • Harlequin

    Good to know.

    Kind of weird thinking going on. Your Silverlight LOB apps will work on the desktop, but for "Metro" I guess we're to use the WinRL to build a Metro app. Yes you could do a HTML5/JQuery version, but these LOB apps are usually quite complex, even God wouldn't want to write 15,000 lines of JavaScript Smiley

    This doesn't mean that tablet form factors won't have the "desktop", I'm sure they will. And if so they can run the IE10 with battery draining Flash anyways. I don't see the point in limiting the IE 10 Metro.

  • AndyC

    ,Harlequin wrote

    This doesn't mean that tablet form factors won't have the "desktop", I'm sure they will. And if so they can run the IE10 with battery draining Flash anyways. I don't see the point in limiting the IE 10 Metro.

    They'll have the desktop, but people probably won't want to use it. It's a very clear statement that, going forward, plugins are being deprecated in IE. Creating content that doesn't require plugins is ultimately better for the web and applications too complex to be easily developed in HTML are probably better off as native WinRT apps anyway.

  • cbae

    ,AndyC wrote

    *snip*

    They'll have the desktop, but people probably won't want to use it. It's a very clear statement that, going forward, plugins are being deprecated in IE. Creating content that doesn't require plugins is ultimately better for the web and applications too complex to be easily developed in HTML are probably better off as native WinRT apps anyway.

    With the Windows App Store, Microsoft has the same motivation as Apple does to deprecate plugins in Metro IE.

  • figuerres

    ,AndyC wrote

    *snip*

    They'll have the desktop, but people probably won't want to use it. It's a very clear statement that, going forward, plugins are being deprecated in IE. Creating content that doesn't require plugins is ultimately better for the web and applications too complex to be easily developed in HTML are probably better off as native WinRT apps anyway.

     

    Yeah i see some things as happening starting with Win8

    1) plugins going to a lesser / deprecated status.

    2) Silverlight V5 is porbably the last major version we will see.

    3) what was wpf and silverlight are now going to be "Windows XAML" for the markup side and pick a language for the client code, C# etc...

    4) .net / WinRT / Win32  possibly WInRT becoming the default framework / runtime and .net gets to support mode for older os's

     

    I have to say that if this is right that it does follow a logic i can agree with.

    SIlverlight and WPF have been getting closer and closer to beeing the same thing in each new version. and if they have decided that there is no real future in trying to make a cross platform runtime for SIlverlight (given the way the Mac and iPad/iPhone and other platforms are) then there is not really a good story for why to spend more money on having two teams, two codebases etc....

    and for sure it's time to really retire a bunch of WIn32 stuff.

    even if WIn 8 was going to look just like 7 all of the changes to the plumbing and runtimes 100% is a good set of things for them to do.

  • Harlequin

    ,figuerres wrote

    *snip*

    2) Silverlight V5 is porbably the last major version we will see.

    3) what was wpf and silverlight are now going to be "Windows XAML" for the markup side and pick a language for the client code, C# etc...

    These I agree with because of the following:

    1) The move of Scott Gu to Azure(who the Hell is his predecessor anyways?)

    2) The move of the WPF team to WinDiv keeping Silverlight in DevDiv. (Or is it a brain fart and the other way around? =) )

    3) Deprecation of plugins in IE 10.

    So it looks like WPF was sucked into the Windows OS as this new WinRT.

    I mainly ask because our main client for Silverlight is Microsoft itself. We've built some powerful LOB stuff with Silverlight. I guess the head scratcher is, what do we move to if we're not doing Silverlight LOB browser-based stuff? Metro apps(which would be Win8 only)? WPF desktop apps? Etc...?

  • kettch

    @Harlequin:WPF is still in the .NET team. It's XAML that got split, with part going to Windows, and part going to Windows Phone. If WinRT is the future of WP, and the rumors of, WP eventually using the Windows kernel, then XAML may end up being one team again.

  • fanbaby

    So, who volunteers to shot this horse (Silverlight for the web) in the head,  i'm tired of taunting Silverlightists. BUWAHAHAHAHA Wink

  • figuerres

    ,fanbaby wrote

    So, who volunteers to shot this horse (Silverlight for the web) in the head,  i'm tired of taunting Silverlightists. BUWAHAHAHAHAWink

    hey i have had questions all along .... while i have been loving silverlight i have also been using WPF and i have thought this might happen for a while now.

    for me it's more of a name change ...  XAML and C# live on. for some things i will now just tell clients that for some things a client app will work better.  that's always been true.

  • AndyC

    ,fanbaby wrote

    So, who volunteers to shot this horse (Silverlight for the web) in the head,  i'm tired of taunting Silverlightists. BUWAHAHAHAHAWink

    Here's a little food for thought:

    Future Windows applications will only be available via the Windows App Store, which will only be accessible on Windows. So the end of things like Silverlight and Win32, which had some degree of cross platform compatability via Moonlight and Wine will lead to a greater desire for Windows on the desktop.

    Long live Linux?

  • Harlequin

    "Windows applications will only be available via the Windows App Store"

    I highly doubt this. This would kill all storefronts that sell Windows products...

  • AndyC

    ,Harlequin wrote

    "Windows applications will only be available via the Windows App Store"

    I highly doubt this. This would kill all storefronts that sell Windows products...

    Go listen to the keynote again. The only way to install Metro apps is going to be via Windows App Store.

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