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I'm going to "pirate" Windows 7

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    ManipUni

    Don't misunderstand me, I have a licence, a full retail licence no less. Activated on a single machine. But I'm sick of having to telephone Microsoft and enter 18 blocks of 8 digits into boxes that I'm just going to go grab an activation crack, slipstream it onto a DVD, and then install that way.     

    Why must I telephone? What is the point? Why does Microsoft think it is ok to treat paying customers this way?    

    Gabe Newell, the CEO of Valve/Steam said piracy is purely a service problem: pirates provide a better service than developers and honestly he isn't too far from the truth when Microsoft is concerned. 

    When Windows 8 rolls around there is no way I'll pay the extra for a retail licence compared to an OEM/Action Pack/Technet+ since Microsoft treats retail customers worse than any of the above. Or at least no better given how much more expensive it is...    

    Even Apple's horrible iTunes software treats me with more respect, allowing me to authorise without fuss and de-authorised previous installations at the click of a button. 

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    vesuvius

    @ManipUni: How often are you having to enter the 18 blocks, once a day, month or year?

    Remember that security is inherently inconvenient, the more inconvenient something is, usually the more secure it is.

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    magicalclick

    I don't understand why you need to call them. The only time I would call them, is when I really need to reinstall Windows, which shouldn't happen unless I switched my mobo. I don't reinstall Windows, that's slow. I have image recovery which is much faster.

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    evildictait​or

    , magicalclick wrote

    I don't understand why you need to call them. The only time I would call them, is when I really need to reinstall Windows, which shouldn't happen unless I switched my mobo. I don't reinstall Windows, that's slow. I have image recovery which is much faster.

    You don't need to call them unless you don't have an Internet connection.

    The reason you need to call them if you don't have an Internet connection is to make sure that you don't buy one licence and install it on hundreds of machines.

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    magicalclick

    @evildictaitor:

    my bad, I didn't know he doesn't have internet connection.

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    Bass

    You are a pirate!

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    ManipUni

     magicalclick wrote: I don't understand why you need to call them. The only time I would call them, is when I really need to reinstall Windows, which shouldn't happen unless I switched my mobo. I don't reinstall Windows, that's slow. I have image recovery which is much faster.
        

    Every time I reinstall Windows 7 which is a lot, I attempt to internet activate (with a working internet connection) and get "Activation Failed" then it tells me to call. It has been doing this for well over a year and I used to have this issue with my Windows Vista too.    

    Windows 7 retail ships with a limit on how many internet activations you can do and there is no way to reset this limit. I did some googling and people say the limit is ten internet activations. 

    When I was having a motherboard issues I consumed three activations during that situation alone. 

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    AndyC

    @ManipUni: What on Earth are you doing that requires you to reinstall Windows 7 "a lot"? You have to be making a pretty big mess of your system for that to be necessary. And the repeated internet activations only applies to installing on different hardware anyway, are you swapping motherboards on a weekly basis or something???

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    magicalclick

    @ManipUni:

    I simply image backup right after reinstall and activation. After that, I recover many times without needing additional activations. Image backup is part of win7 standard features (not sure about emerging market version).

    If you have motherboard issues. Don't activate until you resolve the issue. It lets you use about a week, which should give you enough time to verify the issue is solved.

    Hope this would help you mitigate your problems.

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    magicalclick

    wp7 didn't update page after submit, hence double post, sorry.

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    ManipUni

    @AndyC: Incorrect. Activating on the same hardware "consumes" your limit. Also why should I justify my re-installs? Ten reinstalls over a couple of years isn't really that bad, as I said, three of those were during a period of instability. 

    This whole discussion makes me annoyed. Why should I need to justify my normal use of Windows to Microsoft anyway? I don't need to justify my iTunes DRM, Steam, or any other DRMs I regularly come in contact with. 

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    AndyC

    @ManipUni: You don't have to "justify" it, it's just that your describing a "problem" so far away from what everyone else experiences that people might suggest you're doing something wrong. Maybe there is a better way than reinstalling your PC so often.

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    ZippyV

    @ManipUni: Why do you reinstall it so many times? Use a virtual machine if you want to experiment.

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    kettch

    , ManipUni wrote

     I don't need to justify my iTunes DRM, Steam, or any other DRMs I regularly come in contact with. 

    Yes you do. It's just that those all call home regularly to report on your activities, so you never need to do it manually. Windows would gladly do it itself, but for whatever reason it can't on your network.

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    figuerres

    , ManipUni wrote

    @AndyC: Incorrect. Activating on the same hardware "consumes" your limit. Also why should I justify my re-installs? Ten reinstalls over a couple of years isn't really that bad, as I said, three of those were during a period of instability. 

    This whole discussion makes me annoyed. Why should I need to justify my normal use of Windows to Microsoft anyway? I don't need to justify my iTunes DRM, Steam, or any other DRMs I regularly come in contact with. 

    on one hand ten installs in 24 months seems to be *WAY* to many times unless there is a problem of some kind.

    but that aside if as you say "This whole discussion makes me annoyed. "  well all i can say to that is why did you start the thread if you do not want to talk about it ??  Perplexed

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    JeremyJ

    @ManipUni: You are complaining because you can't seem to keep a computer running?  This doesn't sound like Microsoft's problem.  I think I reinstall a lot and that equates to once every 2 years when I do hardware upgrades.  If you have such an edge case that requires that many reinstalls then you should invest in a MSDN subscription where you can reinstall however many times you want.  If you can't afford that then maybe you need to change your habbits to reflect your budget.

    You: I hate you Toyota because every time I drive my car into a wall it stops working.

    Toyota: Stop doing that.

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    ManipUni

    @JeremyJ: MSDN keys have activation limits too. Ten per key. 

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    magicalclick

    @ManipUni:

    Is there any reason why you don't use image recovery instead?

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