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    Greg​Richardson

    I have a question about the installation of the new system.  If I want to got back is it easy?  And what is going to be the cost to upgrade eventually?

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    Ian2

    @GregRichardson:I expect we will get costs when Windows 8 is released (some time off yet).

    This is a preview so I don't think it is advisable to install it on any machine that you are not happy to build again from scratch!

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    vesuvius

    @GregRichardson: Get another hard drive (I tend to use one from an old machine). It is always more expensive to buy an OS that does not get bundled with an new PC, so cost depends on your circumstances (e.g. how old is your current machine?)

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    vesuvius

    @Ian2: In the last windows 7 beta I was developing software in Visual studio that did not work on the beta OS (WCF mostly) so be very sure that you don't adversely affect your day to day operations.

    A virtual machine is another option, if you use something like VMware

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    Harlequin

    ++ on the virtual machine...run Oracle VM VirtualBox or something. Microsoft's VirtualPC is just too difficult to use, after years I still have no idea on how to get it to run stuff. But the Oracle one is easy to use and setup.

    And by the sounds of it dual-booting Windows 7/Windows 8 isn't fun, and you're probably going to wipe it anyways.

    And if you will be developing Windows 8 apps, you do need to get an actual tablet to test on.

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    Bas

    And by the sounds of it dual-booting Windows 7/Windows 8 isn't fun, and you're probably going to wipe it anyways.

     

    Worked fine over here. Also performance was a lot better than when using a virtual machine.

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    spivonious

    I hope MS announces costs soon. Wouldn't it be awesome if they said one SKU and $30 upgrade?

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    Ian2

    , vesuvius wrote

    @Ian2: In the last windows 7 beta I was developing software in Visual studio that did not work on the beta OS (WCF mostly) so be very sure that you don't adversely affect your day to day operations.

    A virtual machine is another option, if you use something like VMware

     

    I am keeping my main dev machine on Win7 but am lucky enough to have a BUILD machine to play with, yay!

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    evildictait​or

    , spivonious wrote

    I hope MS announces costs soon. Wouldn't it be awesome if they said one SKU and $30 upgrade?

    Yeah. It'd also be awesome if it comes with a fist-full of $20s and a supercar, but that's not gonna happen is it. Windows is expensive to make. It's not gonna be cheap.

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    evildictait​or

    , GregRichardson wrote

    I have a question about the installation of the new system.  If I want to got back is it easy?  And what is going to be the cost to upgrade eventually?

    Windows8 CP is a beta release and might suddenly stop working for no reason and without any warranty or protection for you if things go wrong. Do not use Windows8 CP as a critical machine.

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    magicalclick

    Win7 WindowsImageBackup to DVDs. It always works, including replacing damaged HDD. You need a working DVD ROM (working PC), of course.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    PaoloM

    There are not enough + signs in this particular universe for this Smiley

    Working great booting from VHD on my Zenbook UX21.

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    spivonious

    , evildictaitor wrote

    *snip*

    Yeah. It'd also be awesome if it comes with a fist-full of $20s and a supercar, but that's not gonna happen is it. Windows is expensive to make. It's not gonna be cheap.

    ha! Yes, I got to drive a Porsche Cayman last weekend. Amazing car.

    But I figure most of the money they make is from large OEM sales and volume licenses, right? So why not cut the retail consumer a break, and make it cheap to upgrade an existing machine? The web setup they have for the beta would be perfect.

    $30 upgrade, $150 retail, $100 OEM.

    That way every Windows household PC is running the latest version and can take advantage of the Microsoft account and syncing.

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    evildictait​or

    @spivonious: Because Microsoft know that instead of charging 150m people $30 for an upgrade, 50m people will pay $100 for an upgrade, and the remaining 100m people will probably buy a new laptop in the next couple of years and give Microsoft more money that way too.

    Sadly Microsoft's commercial policy isn't done by technical people who dream in what-ifs and wouldn't-it-be-greats. It's done by accountants and lawyers who think of clever ways to optimise for profit.

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    magicalclick

    @evildictaitor:

    Microsoft's main customers are OEM, retails are 2nd rate citizens. It is not really about profit and blah. It is actually about protecting and catering their main customers, aka OEM. The retail price is intentionally higher to make sure OEM is happy. Just a thought. 

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    elmer

    , evildictaitor wrote

    Because Microsoft know that instead of charging 150m people $30 for an upgrade, 50m people will pay $100 for an upgrade, and the remaining 100m people will probably buy a new laptop in the next couple of years and give Microsoft more money that way too.

    I'd suggest that the proportion of people even interested in upgrading the OS on their existing machine, is much lower than that. Windows users, traditionally, continue to use the version of windows the machine came with, for the life of the machine. Business in particular, is not much interested in rolling out software-only upgrades.

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