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    Sven Groot
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    MasterPi

    I was just about to post that. Tongue Out

    Maybe Jamie will come back now.

     

    My favorite features so far are "Copy Path" and "Open CMD prompt with path set to current folder". Two things that would help me greatly.

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    magicalclick

    that's cool. Up is still quite useful and intuitive than manipulating the address bar. I am glad they put it back.

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    Richard.Hein

    Looks good.  I did miss the Up button.

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    webmonkey

    @MasterPie: you know they both exist already don't you? Shift + Right click.

     

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    Bas

    It seems so... pointless. But apparently the demand is there.

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    Maddus Mattus

    Ugh,..

    more ribbon,..

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    MasterPi

    ,webmonkey wrote

    @MasterPie: you know they both exist already don't you? Shift + Right click.

     

    I knew open cmd window here existed...just couldn't remember how I got to the feature in the first place. Didn't know the path one existed.

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    W3bbo

    I'm against using the ribbon in desktop explorer, I was hoping they would go the path IE9 took in streamlining the UI and yet still providing essential functionality.

    My main beef is that the commands I use the most are located on different tabs, which makes them slower to get-at (such as the 'Views' menu, sometimes I'm in situations where a right-click isn't always do-able, such as RDP on my iPad).

    However I like the QAT and how the buttons can be moved there... Windows 8 might just win me over yet.

    As for the 'Up' button, I've had it in Windows 7 from the beginning thanks to Classic Shell.

    BTW, from a modder's perspective, the ribbon isn't implemented well because it isn't covered by the Visual Style API, so you can't hot-switch between themes, you'll have to modify the resources in Explorer every single time. Can someone please ask them to do something about that?

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    kettch

    @W3bbo: It's almost seeming to me that the default layout should have the ribbon minimized, and have the top ten commands in the QAT with it set to show below the ribbon. That way you would have a "Command Bar" type row of icons to provide easy access, and hide it when the ribbon is shown.

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    magicalclick

    One disturbing thing is, I didn't realize the address bar is below ribbon for literately like 60 seconds. I thought the address bar is gone. Regardless it is my own fault or not, the fact remains. For a long moment I thought the address bar is gone, and I find it quite irritating from such experience.

    As a result, I currently give it a B.

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    DCMonkey

    ,kettch wrote

    @W3bbo: It's almost seeming to me that the default layout should have the ribbon minimized, and have the top ten commands in the QAT with it set to show below the ribbon. That way you would have a "Command Bar" type row of icons to provide easy access, and hide it when the ribbon is shown.

    That kinda misses the point of the ribbon, which is to provide the most commonly used together commands in a discoverable, large icon, and descriptive text form. It also misses the point of the QAT, which is to provide a place for the user to put often used commands that might not be optimally located in the default UI (something that is likely to be a different set of commands for different people).

    You might as well just go back to a traditional menu and tool bar arrangement with those defaults.

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    DCMonkey

    ,W3bbo wrote

    My main beef is that the commands I use the most are located on different tabs, which makes them slower to get-at (such as the 'Views' menu, sometimes I'm in situations where a right-click isn't always do-able, such as RDP on my iPad).

     

    Note the buttons for details view and large icon view in the lower right corner of the window.

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    W3bbo

    ,DCMonkey wrote

    You might as well just go back to a traditional menu and tool bar arrangement with those defaults.

    And what was wrong with that arrangement? At least menus don't have a 100ms+ loading time or require extraneous mouse movement to hit a target (even if the target is bigger).

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    AndyC

    ,W3bbo wrote

    BTW, from a modder's perspective, the ribbon isn't implemented well because it isn't covered by the Visual Style API, so you can't hot-switch between themes, you'll have to modify the resources in Explorerevery single time. Can someone please ask them to do something about that?

    Yes, with any luck they'll remove the Visual Style API entirely and bury it next to other ideas that should never have made it into a shipping product like Active Desktop and the annoying search dog.

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    vesuvius

    I really will enjoy using explorer now, even as recent as last week, I was splitting blood at the lack of an "up" button. Hurrah!

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    kettch

    @DCMonkey: Yeah, you're right. I must have been momentarily swayed by all the hate in the comments to that post.

    @W3bbo: That arrangement is a PITA. Personally, I'll probably run with it minimized, but it will be with the knowledge that certain commands are only a couple of clicks away instead of buried in menus and dialogs.

    I've got users who are perfectly healthy and capable adults, but when faced with a mouse, they have the manual dexterity of a drunken monkey. Having big colorful buttons will help people find and execute commands more easily.

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    vesuvius

    @Maddus Mattus:I use Windows Live Essentials and have the Ribbon minimised by default so it is almost like having a traditional toolbar. Works like a charm.

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