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    W3bbo

    ,vesuvius wrote

    I really will enjoy using explorer now, even as recent as last week, I was splitting blood at the lack of an "up" button. Hurrah!

    Google "Classic Explorer", problem solved.

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    vesuvius

    After watching the video, isn't it about time the Windows team with the C++ gurus came up with a file zip system that was better compression wise, and faster than WinRar or 7Zip and ran in parallel?

    I never use the inbuilt zip, it is deplorably slow. 

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    qvp

    @vesuvius: Just use "Alt+Up", it's faster than trying to click a little arrow.

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    kettch

    @W3bbo: That's like using a cheese grater to cure acne. It works but...

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    exoteric

    @Richard.Hein: Up is good; but where is next-sibling and previous-sibling? (Semi-serious.)

    @W3bbo: You can minimize the ribbon and you can use shortcuts as a power user.

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    contextfree`

    I'm really disappointed that there'll be no third-party API for the Explorer ribbon. Currently add-ons just dump their options into the context menu making it more and more unwieldy. If something like TortoiseSvn could add a contextual Source Control tab for example, it could mitigate the effect of context menu bloat and provide a more pleasant way of accessing those options. Context menu bloat is actually my #1 UI gripe with Explorer.

    It'd be nice if at least an API could provided in an out-of-band release, but we're probably stuck waiting until Windows 9 in 2015. Would love to be proven wrong.

    Also, between this and the last post about the copy dialogs with their graphs etc., I wonder if they are making a conscious decision to focus the traditional desktop UI more on "power use cases" (not necessarily "power users"). It's telling that the PM prominently talks up Copy as Path and batch file scripting in the video. It makes a certain amount of sense - for casual use there's the relatively minimalist, design-y immersive UI, so the people working on the desktop UI feel free to focus on the remaining use cases and move in the opposite direction.

    Other than that, I do like the direction, especially the QAT and drag-and-drop from the breadcrumb bar. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they'll clean up the visuals some, though being cluttered to some extent is probably the nature of the beast.

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    kettch

    @contextfree`: Ok, so no problem if a source control client can add a tab; that's cool. Maybe Adobe wants to add a tab...that could be useful for some people. 7-Zip wants to add a tab...cool. Antivirus wants to add a tab...meh. Everybody wants to add a tab, and soon it's a worse mess than the context menu has ever been. I think that they made the right decision to keep third parties out until they can figure out a better way. It might work if they kept all third parties grouped into a single tab, but that could still get messy.

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    DCMonkey

    FWIW, I saw this screenshot in Extremetech's article on the subject:

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    W3bbo

    ,DCMonkey wrote

    FWIW, I saw this screenshot in Extremetech's article on the subject:

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    The window looks ugly because there's no "inner-bevel" border where the glass meets the solid window background. I hope they fix that.

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    contextfree`

    @kettch: I feel there's simply more "room" to put useful stuff on the ribbon than on the context menu before it gets too unwieldy. Note that when I complain about context menu bloat, I'm not just complaining about unwanted, useless options - I can and do disable those - but about options that individually are genuinely useful, but taken together are too much.

    Though that does raise the question of adding a better interface for monitoring and enabling/disabling addons (and the options they add), perhaps similar to what IE9 did.

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    cheong

    Windows 8 is about reimagining Windows, so we took on the challenge to improve the most widely used desktop tool (except maybe for Solitaire) in Windows

    I thought I'd seen minesweeper in explorer window... Tongue Out

    Ribbon... I'd think when this out people will start to complain it's difficult to use as in Office 2007/2010. But I think I could live with it as long as the shortcuts are there. I seldom click on menu items except the address bar anyway.

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    W3bbo

    ,contextfree` wrote

    Though that does raise the question of adding a better interface for monitoring and enabling/disabling addons (and the options they add), perhaps similar to what IE9 did.

    Windows Explorer has more extension points than IE (for example, do shell namespace extensions count as WExplorer addons, or just things that alter the direct chrome of WExplorer?)

    It's not just WExplorer that needs a user-facing add-on management tool, but Windows as a whole. There's still no "easy" way to stop software from abusing HKCU+HKLM\Run or even the Startup folder (which is what it was meant for in the first place...).

    The "Autoruns" program from Sysinternals is great, but it's not something like trust my mum to use.

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    contextfree`

    I still don't understand why they removed the Software Explorer (a nice, friendlier way to explore/disable autorunning software) that was part of Windows Defender in Vista. Maybe it didn't make sense as part of Defender (which was the reason given for canning it iirc), but that just means they should've split it out. autoruns is cool but definitely not a substitute. This is one of two features I miss that were in Vista but removed in 7, the other one being the horizontal autoscrolling thing in the navigation pane of Explorer but as I seem to be the only person on the planet who didn't hate that I can see why they ditched it.

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    xgamer

    What I would love to see ... is to have the search feature like that of http://officelabs.com/projects/searchcommands/Pages/default.aspx  integrated in the ribbon or somehow included in existing search feature  on the toolbar ...

    I love the google chrome settings implementation of search ...

    and yes +1 for bringing software explorer back ...

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    magicalclick

    I think it is not fat finger friendly though. Hope to see something interesting like as simple expender bar that can be swiped to open, which contains those commands in giant buttons. And the context menu should be a grid of giant square buttons.

    Win8 wants to be the main tablet OS, and yet, I think the ribbon is more designed for mouse.

    I think Win8 has a special tablet mode for finger friendly file manager? But, then, I really don't like the idea of having separated GUI for it. It still feel half baked when I have to switch between PC desktop and tablet mode. It is like that Windows Live Movie Maker vs Vista Movie Maker, just pure confusing and annoying.

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    daSmirnov

    The Up button is completely pointless.

    That's what the address bar is for, why don't people learn to use the new system instead of whining about something that's better, hey look I can Up 6 times with one click with the address bar.

    Now we have the evil of pre-Vista explorer creeping back.  Great. Crying

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    CKurt

    @daSmirnov: I just hope I can hide the up button, I have grown used to using the address bar.

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    TommyCarlier

    @CKurt: And you can't use the address bar if the up-button is not hidden?

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