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    magicalclick

    Jupiter probably still lags behind latest WPF technology like the one used in Surface and the Walls.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    JoshRoss

    @Charles: I might think of going if I had any idea what I would see. Blind dates seem like a bad idea, more so that I am married. Hey, I think that's a double pun. With the PDC attendees getting a phone, I would expect the BUILD attendees would get a tablet. No thanks, I've got too much techno crap already. I think that I've been over evangelized, like I've been on the merry go round too long, and I just need to vomit. I'm not sure how a brain can do that, but if I figure it out, I'll post the info.

    -Josh

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    JoshRoss

    @JoshRoss: Techno crap?

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    JoshRoss

    , JoshRoss wrote

    @JoshRoss: Techno crap?

    What else would you call it?

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    Charles

    @JoshRoss: Well, what do you expect to see? What we already shared... Windows 8...

    C

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    JoshRoss

    @Charles: I'm expecting overwhelming churn, churn in tools, frameworks, concepts, priorities, form factors, etc. There is only so much someone can take in, at any given time.

    What I would like to see is something that makes easy things easier and hard things possible. 

    -Josh

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    aL_

    , Charles wrote

    @JoshRoss: Well, what do you expect to see? What we already shared... Windows 8...

    i cant help but feeling that awnser is a little bit disrespectful given the vast amount of fud and general confusion and rage that exsist around where microsoft is going with win8. Dont you get it? alot of people are genuinely concerned about their careers and business decisions around microsoft technologies.. some folks have lost business already. is that fair or well adviced? no, but its reality. try asking a customer to push their product 3 months for some conference, they will laugh in your face.

    Obviously i dont blame you for this or expect you to share any new info here, but still you dont have to give a smartass awnser like that. like it or not, you do represent microsoft to some degree here..

     

    What do i expect? i expect details around the appx format and on a higher level, i expect microsoft to show some sign that they care about their dev-base. That they are not completly out of touch with them. Because that's exactly how they are beeing precived now.

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    Ian2

    I'm probably a typical Microsoft Dev.  There is good will (from MS) stored in the bank from previous years.  But MS just made an unexpected large withdrawal without letting me (us) know why.

    Like others I am taking the Jupiter thing at face value based on information from third parties (MJF etc) . Personally, my confidence level is around 75% that Silverlight/WPF will be first class in Windows 8.

    So time to move on (that siad I would rather that be with clarification from MS sooner rather than later).

    I get what Josh is saying about the whole Techno Crap thing (but secretly I still love techno crap).

    I also feel sorry for those at MS who have to swallow this whole thing.

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    contextfree`

    as paolo says, silverlight/wpf have never been first class in any Windows ... 

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    Ian2

    @contextfree`:That maybe true but everyone understands what is meant in relation to the whole Windows8/HTML5 debacle.

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    figuerres

    , Charles wrote

    How many of you guys are planning on coming to build? Hope to see some Niners there!

    C

    why ?   sure the next version will be interesting but how will going help me with anything ?

    first there was no info out, then great fear due to a bit of news, now we have a bunch of the info getting out... by the time this show happens i think all the news will be out already....

    a) none of this should have been made public this soon

    or

    b) this event should be happening this week.

     

    bad timing and bad control of publicity and leaks.

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    felix9

    @Ian2:As far as I can see, Jupiter is not Silverlight nor WPF, its another kind of framework that kinda similiar or compatible to Silverlight/WPF code.

    so Sinofsky is right, that 'Silverlight', as we know it, is still a Browser/Desktop thing.

    what he didn't say is, the 'Jupiter' framework will enable you to leverage your Silverlight/.NET skills to write Immersive (or desktop) applications in XAML/C#/VB/C++, its very very similiar, but not exatcly the same thing.

    the situation is similiar to the relationship of Silverlight and WPF and Silverlight for Phone, you need to create different project in VS, then you can write very similiar UI/code, even sharing most of your portable code in a common library, but the underlying technology are still very different.

    that said, I think you can easily port a 'real WPF' app to the immersive ui, just host your WPF content inside an immersive HWND, maybe you can play some trick with 'real' silverlight too, with COM interop or P/Invoke. Hmm.. maybe Microsoft can have these little tricks offically builtin but that wont make much sense, because in the end of day, you still need to call some new apis to provide a real native experience, so what you get is just a hybrid monster, why not just use Jupiter ?

    and, the Silverlight is portable, and the immsersive experience is very unique and not portable, you cant use them in the browser or on a Mac, it doesnt make sense to add those into a portable technology. the only exception may be the phone. but Apollo is the son of Jupiter IIRC. Tongue Out

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    Ian2

    @felix9:Yeh, that sounds like a good step forward.  I had no problem going from Silverlight Desktop to Silverlight.WP7 and would be confident in MS's ability to make any similar transition as trouble free as practicable.

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    Ian2

     

    , Charles wrote

    How many of you guys are planning on coming to build? Hope to see some Niners there!

    C

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    I would love to come and see everything first hand but will probably watch it from home.

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    contextfree`

    @felix9: "the only exception may be the phone. but Apollo is the son of Jupiter IIRC. Tongue Out"

    Good catch! 

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    7alken

    XAML. Nothing else matters.

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    Ian2

    @petr.antos:

    ,petr.antos wrote

    XAML. Nothing else matters.

    I would hate to lose my investment in the programming element and the related code based 'building blocks' like LINQ etc

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    spivonious

    @Charles: Too much money, and since my company is still on XP, I doubt they would pay for me to go. Still, I'll watch the keynotes from home.

    When does Win8 beta go up on MSDN? Smiley

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