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Jury: Google allowed to use Java APIs in Android

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    bondsbw

    Google wins legal fight with Oracle, jury rules for fair use of Java in Android

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    TexasToast

    They say Oracle will appeal.   Oracle should spend their money on developing something new and stop paying attorneys to go to court on Lawsuits that amount to jealousy.  Happy for Google and the outcome but who really likes Java anyway. :D

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    itsnotabug

    This will bang around in the lower courts with decisions going both ways before it gets up to scotus. That decision will be the headline.

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    elmer

    Oracle were always going to struggle with their argument, when Sun had apparently previously given approval (albeit reluctantly) for the use of Java APIs in Android. The jury appears to have decided that Oracle can't un-do that approval, which seems reasonable enough.

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    wkempf

    , TexasToast wrote

    They say Oracle will appeal.   Oracle should spend their money on developing something new and stop paying attorneys to go to court on Lawsuits that amount to jealousy.  Happy for Google and the outcome but who really likes Java anyway. :D

    While I think the ruling is correct, the above sentiment makes NO sense. Why would you spend money "developing something new" if whatever you developed could just be used without compensation?

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    TexasToast

    @wkempf: That ruling is not about Oracle getting compensation on something they developed.  Sun developed Java and said anyone could use it long before Oracle bought them.  I don't see anyone copying or using Oracles database and thinking it is free since we all know its their property.  I think Oracle is wasting money on this case and everyone knows the true story here.  

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    evildictait​or

    , TexasToast wrote

    Oracle should spend their money on developing something new and stop paying attorneys to go to court on Lawsuits that amount to jealousy.

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    That ruling is not about Oracle getting compensation on something they developed.  Sun developed Java.

    So? If Oracle didn't get legal rights for Java, they would have paid less to buy Sun, which would mean that Sun developers would have gotten less compensation for their work.

    The idea that you shouldn't be able to get money for a thing you bought as opposed to a thing you made is anti-capitalist. If you can make money from it yourself, you should be able to sell it.

    That's not to say I don't fully side with Google on this one. Interfaces (and APIs) are clearly something that shouldn't be copyrightable, because it would give platform owners (such as Windows, iOS, Android and, indeed, Java) an enormous - and in my view, unfair - advantage over other platforms innovating and competing by blocking them from being platform-compatible with software written for the huge and pre-existing platforms.

    So this is clearly a good thing for the market, and for software development generally. But let's not confuse outcome with principle. Because this judgement also means if you provide a closed-source API-equivalent version of a GPL product, the GPL owners won't have a claim on the closed-source API (since you can't copyright, and therefore can't GPL-ify) an API - just as long as none of the GPL code makes it into the product as well.

    I think that's a good thing too; but lots of people who are braying over the victory aren't doing it because of the principle that APIs shouldn't be copyrightable, but over the fact that their guy won

    It's a good decision, but I'm just saying: if you're deciding whether the outcome is good based on your opinion of Google, Oracle, Android or Java, you're Doing It Wrong (TM).

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    bondsbw

    @evildictaitor:  Hey now... I can fully hate Oracle and like open source principles at the same time.  :P

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    SteveRichter

    Google and Facebook are tremendous assets of the democrat party. . Not so much in terms of the news and search results they show the public. But the real time analysis they are able to do to determine what the public is talking about and reading.  No way the politicians would allow the courts to rule against them.

    Think of the billions of email messages sent via GMail.  Google obviously scans those messages to see how many are favorable to one candidate or a policy position. What would more accurately predict an election? What millions are posting and reading on facebook? Or what a tiny sample tell a pollster? 

    I do not know if they sell this knowledge regardless of the politics of the buyer. But clearly the big internet companies favor open border democrats. And they are going to help democrats in every way they can.

     

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    TexasToast

    @evildictaitor:Yes Oracle bought Sun and gets the legal rights to Java. They also bought and inherit the commitments Sun made as letting Android use Java API's.   When you buy a company you get the good with the bad.  Maybe Sun would have been worth more if this commitment was not given. I also think Google would have dumped all of Java in Android without this commitment.

     

     

     

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    cheong

    @TexasToast: Indeed.

    Otherwise, the China government would have regained control of [New Territories and new Kowloon, Hong Kong] and other "rental area" (I'm not talking about colonies where the change of control is considered permenant) after 1911 because technically those countries only signed rental contract with "Ching Dynasty" government.

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