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Kinect open source driver demo

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    Erisan
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    BitFlipper

    I know some people might think this is a good idea and feel all warm and fuzzy about it, but this could have a negative impact. MS spent a ton of money developing this, with the idea that they can make this up with game sales. If people only buy the hardware, then they can't make up the R&D costs. Which makes it a non-profitable product.

    So then they will have to raise the price, cancel the product, sell it only in bundles, and likely they won't develop a Kinect 2.0. None of those are good for Kinect's future.

    Personally I think MS has a right to protect their investment and hope they figure out a way to prevent such unintended uses.

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    dentaku

    @BitFlipper:The guy who made this video doesn't even own an XBOX so MS made money off him when they wouldn't have otherwise because he has no reason to buy games. I'm just assuming they're not selling the hardware at a loss of course, in which case your point would be valid.

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    Bass

    Awesome. This might actually make me pick up a Kinect. Smiley

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    Tokter

    If that were the case that enough people buy a kniect for other reasons than gaming and it would make it non-profitable in turn. Then their business plan was bad and/or game were crap. Non of which is the customers problem.

    I took apart consumer electronics to desolder parts for my own projects. I used toilet paper to craft a halloween mask once. I used cream cheese instead of mascarpone to make tiramisu. I probably should be arrested by the unintended use police. Smiley

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    Minh

    , BitFlipper wrote

    Personally I think MS has a right to protect their investment and hope they figure out a way to prevent such unintended uses.

    And people have the right to do whatever they want with something they just bought. Including putting it into a blender to see if it would blend.

    Cracking the wiimote didn't hurt Nintendo. This is not going to hurt MS either

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    BitFlipper

    , Bass wrote

    Awesome. This might actually make me pick up a Kinect. Smiley

    Except you do realize that a lot of the Kinect power comes from the software running on the Xbox that interprets the Kinect data, right? So until they develop that, this isn't much more useful than a webcam.

    Did you actually think you were going to connect this up to Linux and have it magically track your body?

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    Bass

    , BitFlipper wrote

    *snip*

    Except you do realize that a lot of the Kinect power comes from the software running on the Xbox that interprets the Kinect data, right? So until they develop that, this isn't much more useful than a webcam.

    Did you actually think you were going to connect this up to Linux and have it magically track your body?

     

    I have professional expirence with computer vision.

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    BitFlipper

    , Bass wrote

    *snip*

    I have professional expirence with computer vision.

    OK, let us know how your project comes along!  And also throw in voice and facial recognition while you implement your skeletal recognition algorithm. We'll be waiting for a demo. I'm sure it will be any day now... Wink

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    Bass

    , BitFlipper wrote

    *snip*

    OK, let us know how your project comes along!  And also throw in voice and facial recognition while you implement your skeletal recognition algorithm. We'll be waiting for a demo. I'm sure it will be any day now... Wink

     

    Oh, a challenge? How interesting. Smiley

    Unfortunately I've got a different gradutate school project to finish. So assuming I do get enough time next semester, I'll take you up on that challenge. It would be nice to get back to that sort of thing.

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    aL_

    @BitFlipper: putting aside that don mattrick has said in an interview that kinect sells for profit at launch, there is no way the community of hackers will be large enough to actually impact profit numbers..

    hacked drivers like this will always be something underground, even the wiimote hacks by johnny lee, that where made popular on youtube caused wiimote sales to spike. and even if that turns out to be a problem, all microsoft has to do is raise the price of a stand alone kinect. considering that microsoft them selvs have been talking about a windows driver, i would not be very worried.

    also, no ip has been breached, as you say, the power is in the software. the xbox havent been hacked, the kinect firmware hasnt been hacked, they are simply sending usb commands and getting a response

    all this leads to is potentially awsome applications and free publicity for microsoft. none of whitch are bad things imo Smiley

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    PerfectPhase

    @aL_:  I did wonder, given the ease that people have got access to the raw feeds, that microsoft might have gone down the line of no supported third party drivers, but making it easy enought to hack some drivers together.  That way they are still free to change the protocol when ever they want for example and there is no expectation on them to give the (valueable) client side drivers away that do the actual motion tracking.  But then there are the noises that the lawers are making that scuppers that idea.

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    aL_

    i agree.. they have said many times that their real value add is in the software, and that is not available anyware..

    its concivable that talking to the hardware is similar to how you would talk to a primesense device, and microsoft didnt really put energy into that make that harder or easier.

    as far as i understand, people have not been able to get at the microphone array and its noise cancelation yet, those are things that might be a little closer to microsofts heart. then again, they probably do the cancelation in hardware and just expose it as a single audio stream

    btw, this is pretty cool Smiley watch out surface..

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    aL_

    EEtimes are reporting that according to a their tear down, the parts for kinect is only costs aprox. $56 bucks.

    i guess we dont have to feel bad about buying extra kinect sensors anymore Smiley especially since even microsoft doesnt consider these drivers an actual breach of their ip:

    "What has happened is someone has created drivers that allow other devices to
    interface with the Kinect for Xbox 360. The creation of these drivers, and the
    use of Kinect for Xbox 360 with other devices, is unsupported."

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    W3bbo

    , aL_ wrote

    EEtimes are reporting that according to a their tear down, the parts for kinect is only costs aprox. $56 bucks.

    That seems unrealistically low; Kinect is having a bit of a hard time selling itself at £130; if the price was dropped to £99 it'd be a much easier sell, especially with the run-up to Christmas.

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    PerfectPhase

    , W3bbo wrote

    *snip*

    That seems unrealistically low; Kinect is having a bit of a hard time selling itself at £130; if the price was dropped to £99 it'd be a much easier sell, especially with the run-up to Christmas.

    He said parts by the time you addin in manufacture and shiping costs and slap on some extra to recope $500M* of R&D, a bit for the reseller the price creeps ups.  From what I've read they said that Kinect is not selling for a loss, and I've taken that to mean end to end with some profit on top. 

     

    * stab in the dark, anyone got any idea what this is, software and hardware costs?

     

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    Bass

    Another Kinect contest was started by a Google Engineer:

    "A second open source Kinect contest has now also started, sponsored by Google engineer Matt Cutts. He will give $1,000 to whoever produces what he considers the coolest open source Kinect project. A separate $1,000 prize will be given to the team creating tools that make it easy to use Kinect on Linux."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11742236

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    kettch

    @Bass:Wasn't Microsoft taking heat for bribing developers to write stuff for WP7? Nobody blinks when companies have to bribe people to write stuff for Linux?

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