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Lacey have a new server. A Windows Home Server

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    blowdart

    Oh! NEW TOY!

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    Harlequin

    What's the difference between buying that and just buying a large harddrive? I ask because that one is $600 or so and it has 2TB, but there are 5TB drives coming out now that are < $500 I think.

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    SteveRichter

    I would use it if it had a built in router. I would want home server to store all the traffic that passes thru the network.

     

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    spivonious

    @blowdart: I like the design of the box. Simple, yet powerful-looking.

    @Harlequin: WHS is much more than an external drive. Automated backups, media server, and remote access to every PC on your network.

    @SteveRichter: That's really not what WHS is for. It's designed to be a very hands-off, plug-n-play server appliance.

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    JoshRoss

    That's pretty!

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    BitFlipper

    I have Windows Home Server 1.0, but after they removed DriveExtender from the subsequent release, I lost all interest. I'm not upgrading until they have an acceptable replacement, and due to my lost interest on anything past 1.0, I don't even know whether that has since been fixed or not. Has it?

    DriveExtender allowed you to add any drive of any size and type to WHS and it would simply ask you whether you want to add it to the main storage pool. Yes or No. Simple. Then if you add it, it would become part of the storage pool. In this case it ensures that all of your files are on at least two drives so that you can pull any one and still have all your data. It also has de-duplication which means you can do a large amount of backups of many different machines very efficiently.

    DriveExtender was much more than RAID and much more flexible in a home environment where you can simply attach an old USB drive of any size and add additional storage.

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    spivonious

    @BitFlipper:Nope, DriveExtender was dropped permanently. The new Storage Spaces feature in Windows 8 looks like a better replacement, but there's been no word if WHS will be updated again with a Windows Server 8 base.

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    blowdart

    , BitFlipper wrote

    I have Windows Home Server 1.0, but after they removed DriveExtender from the subsequent release, I lost all interest. I'm not upgrading until they have an acceptable replacement, and due to my lost interest on anything past 1.0, I don't even know whether that has since been fixed or not. Has it?

    DriveExtender allowed you to add any drive of any size and type to WHS and it would simply ask you whether you want to add it to the main storage pool. Yes or No. Simple. Then if you add it, it would become part of the storage pool. In this case it ensures that all of your files are on at least two drives so that you can pull any one and still have all your data. It also has de-duplication which means you can do a large amount of backups of many different machines very efficiently.

    DriveExtender was much more than RAID and much more flexible in a home environment where you can simply attach an old USB drive of any size and add additional storage.

    Well the Lacie has hardware raid, so I am going to mirror the drives. Agree that Drive Extender was more useful though, but there is an 3rd party Add-In that brings that functionality back.

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    blowdart

    It shipped already, should be with me on Monday. WOOHOO!

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    vesuvius

    I am going to get a synology box http://www.synology.com/products/index.php?lang=enu

    I think they lead the market at present

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    ManipUni

    I thought everyone was boycotting LaCie after it turned out that their warranties are impossible to claim on without paying several hundred dollars in "data recovery" charges?    

    http://i.imgur.com/X3bQJ.png

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    AndyC

    @ManipUni: Well you can claim the warranty, as long as you have a backup of your data. Although why anyone would spend money on a RAID system with non-replacable drives is beyond me. What is the point of that?

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    ManipUni

    @AndyC: You're misunderstanding the situation. They sell a box with two drives and a RAID controller. If one of the drives dies you're unable to access your data on the second drive unless you remove it and plug it into a PC/another USB bay, however if you open the box the warranty is void, and if you send the box in the data is lost - so essentially they're selling a RAID solution which is impossible to utilise unless you throw the warranty away immediately.   

    However it gets worse: Lacey have decided to exploit this situation by offering very expensive "data recovery" services which keep intact your warranty. The data recovery services likely involved plugging the working drive into a SATA connector and copying the data off.  

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    AndyC

    @ManipUni: Not really. If you simply treat it as a big external disk, the warranty is no different to anything else.

    If, however, you buy it to put in "safe" mirrored RAID mode despite the fact the disks aren't user-replacable then I question your intelligence. A mirrored setup is entirely pointless without user replaceable disks.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , AndyC wrote

    @ManipUni: Not really. If you simply treat it as a big external disk, the warranty is no different to anything else.

    If, however, you buy it to put in "safe" mirrored RAID mode despite the fact the disks aren't user-replacable then I question your intelligence. A mirrored setup is entirely pointless without user replaceable disks.

    I think the lack of intelligence is on Lacey's part. ManipUni seems to understand the unfairness of the situation quite well.

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    blowdart

    , DeathByVisualStudio wrote

    *snip*

    I think the lack of intelligence is on Lacey's part. ManipUni seems to understand the unfairness of the situation quite well.

    Yea, this is rather dumb and bizarre. I can see Andy's point though.

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    Craig_​Matthews

    , AndyC wrote

    @ManipUni: Not really. If you simply treat it as a big external disk, the warranty is no different to anything else.

    If, however, you buy it to put in "safe" mirrored RAID mode despite the fact the disks aren't user-replacable then I question your intelligence. A mirrored setup is entirely pointless without user replaceable disks.

    Whether the drives are in a sealed non-openable bay or not, a storage enclosure configured as RAID 1 should continue to allow access to the data when one of the drives fails. There shouldn't even be a need to break open the enclosure, pull the good drive out, and plug it into a PC to restore the data.

    That's kind of the point of RAID 1. When the single drive failed, the person who ran into that issue with the Lacie should have been able to copy his data off of the device as is, without having to do a thing. The storage enclosure should simply allow access to the data, bypassing the failed drive. The fact that this enclosure didn't do that means that the RAID 1 implementation was intentionally crippled to the point where you can't even really call it RAID. The device was designed to be defective out of the gate.

    There is nothing wrong with someone assuming RAID 1 is going to work properly whether the drives are user-replaceable or not. RAID 1 is not about just the writes, it's about the reads too. A RAID 1 enclosure that does not allow access to the data transparently when one disk fails is, by definition, broken.

     

     

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    vesuvius

    @Craig_Matthews:synology is the best, all you do is choose your box, and whatever hard drives you want. I have put off getting one because of the floods in the east that have raised hard disk prices, I just don't see any other option

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