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    davewill

    Posting to the MSDN forums and being in the understanding and proving phase related to a post and along comes a moderator who marks the question as answered. Arggg. Is it just rude to mark someone else's question as answered or is it just me?

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    felix9

    agreed, its very rude and annoying.

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    Harlock123n​ew

    Welcome to the standard mode of operation for the MOD GODs... I guess they get paid by the closed threads....

     

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    kettch

    I think there's some folks who are doing some stats manipulation. I usually unmark as answer and argue about why it shouldn't be the answer. I think there's a few MVP's and others who are caught up in the gamification factor and slam out answers without really paying attention to whether it solves the problem or not.

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    cbae

    , kettch wrote

    I think there's some folks who are doing some stats manipulation. I usually unmark as answer and argue about why it shouldn't be the answer. I think there's a few MVP's and others who are caught up in the gamification factor and slam out answers without really paying attention to whether it solves the problem or not.

    Is there a cheevo for closing threads?

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    davewill

    @cbae: Here is an example where marking as answered was more than gracious to the OP.  Cheevo granted.  Check out the marked as answer datetime compared with the posts.

    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/transactsql/thread/a1f5a2db-f0b1-47ae-83d1-c8d422874d48

     

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    cheong

    In most forum I visit there, the MODs will close thread after the asker abonden the thread for 1 week by selecting most appropiate reply to be answer.

    Btw, Experts Exchange also has policy to close thread after some time, maybe there could be option to close thread without marking answers.

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    felix9

    he, waiting for the OP for some days is another thing, but on MSDN forums, its often 'minutes after' someone replied, some MSDN forums mods will even mark their own (sometimes ignorant and/or offtopic) reply as 'answer', RIGHT AFTER they post it themselves.

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    exoteric

    Sounds very annoying. But then again, Stackoverflow has been invented.

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    figuerres

    , exoteric wrote

    Sounds very annoying. But then again, Stackoverflow has been invented.

    thing is that the way the MSDN folks mark stuff it makes going there have little value and if we get better results from SO and MSDN gets to many bad answers then why even have it there ?

    just tell MS they can stop running it and save money of the answers and mods are junk.

     

    there is a thread on another MS forum where the same kind of thing has been going on.  so it's not just MSDN, hate to say it but another sign of the problems inside Microsoft.

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    evildictait​or

    just tell MS they can stop running it and save money of the answers and mods are junk.

    It doesn't really cost very much money to keep the MSDN forums trundling along. The moderators aren't employees, and the website is self-sustaining at this point.

    I'm sure at some point when MSDN comes up for a refresh that Microsoft will ask more seriously what the added value to Microsoft of owning and running MSDN forums is, but I'm not sure MSDN forums even really registers on Microsoft's radar for high value things to keep an eye on. It's really just never been particularly interesting, and it's certainly never really made any money. It's just a cheaper way of providing support.

    If SO wants to take the mantle of providing online Q&A support for Microsoft software, more power to it. MSDN forums closing isn't a sign of anything other than the fact that finally someone else has risen to take the burden of providing online Q&A support for MS products off of Microsoft's shoulders.

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    kettch

    @figuerres: In the threads I've been in, it's mostly MVPs who mark things prematurely. Forum stats are definitely one of the things that keep them their MVP status.

    I'm just happy that the MSDN search looks across several different communities.

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    exoteric

    @evildictaitor:Never made any money? Sometimes what makes money is not directly quantifiable. Hypothetically speaking, if Stackoverflow censored all .NET questions overnight it would be a pretty big deal for .NET.

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    davewill

    Last time I checked, and that has been a while, stackoverflow penalized _____ (had newbies here but not really just newbies).  The old expression "there is no stupid question, only stupid people who don't ask questions" is in conflict with stackoverflow.

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    ScanIAm

    MSDN: 99% of the time, you'll be told you asked your question in the wrong forum.

    Stack Overflow: 99% of the time you'll be told your question was already answered.

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    kettch

    @ScanIAm: There's so much on SO that I'm starting to think that AI isn't going to be written. It's going to be born out of the code flotsam and jetsam of Stack Overflow.

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    evildictait​or

    , exoteric wrote

    @evildictaitor:Never made any money? Sometimes what makes money is not directly quantifiable. Hypothetically speaking, if Stackoverflow censored all .NET questions overnight it would be a pretty big deal for .NET.

    If Stack Overflow decided to do that, they would be hurting nobody but themselves, because they would lose lots of their customers and they'd have set a precedent of playing politics with their community who ask and answer questions for free on their site. It'd also be completely contrary to their entire ethos, so I doubt they would ever start playing those games.

    MSDN Forums doesn't generate money for Microsoft in quite the same way that, say, Bing or Microsoft Advertising does. It doesn't provide content like MSDN docs does, and it doesn't provide Brand like, say, Microsoft.com does.

    So it becoming increasing less relevant in the world isn't so much "another sign of the problems inside Microsoft" as just "times are a-changin' ". MSDN forums just aren't as important to Microsoft or even to developers as it was, say, five or ten years ago.

    If I were an exec at Microsoft, I'd let it trundle on for a bit longer. There's no point killing it whilst it's effectively self-sustaining at the moment, but there's also no point investing in it whilst SO is clearly so superior in terms of quality and speed of answers and in terms of the number of qualified answerers - even for really deep-technical Microsoft-specific questions; there are loads of MVPs and even MS employees who are happy to answer on SO, but don't get involved in MSDNF.

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    felix9

    @exoteric: ha, what will Jon Skeet do then ? Big Smile

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