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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    @evildictaitor: Because I'm their tech support.

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    Bas

    , Escamillo wrote

    This Coffeehouse forum has gone in the toilet ever since Rory left.  Mostly what we get now are malcontents and Microsoft-bashers.  There use to be lots of tech talk on this forum and actual insight, but those days are looooong gone.  And that's why the userbase of this forum has dropped down to fewer than a dozen regulars.  The ones remaining are mostly the malcontents that can sit around and pat themselves on the back at how brilliant they are (they equate cynicism with brilliance).  The rest that remain are those few individuals that have the stomache to put up with the nonsense constantly spewed by the malcontents.

     

    I'd put the exact date a good while after Rory's departure myself, but apart from that: quoted for truth. A handful of people have managed to destroy what was once a great community. Well done guys!

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    @Bas: Could it be that Microsoft's decision making over the past couple of years has something to do with it? People who used to believe/agree with Microsoft's direction have left for greener pastures? That just leaves the extremists on both side; those that vocalize their frustrations and those that defend Microsoft regardless.

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    evildictait​or

    , Bas wrote

    I'd put the exact date a good while after Rory's departure myself, but apart from that: quoted for truth. A handful of people have managed to destroy what was once a great community. Well done guys!

    It's funny that you mention that - I was actually thinking of leaving C9 myself :/ It's not as fun as it used to be. Littleguru, Charles, W3bb0, Herbie, blowdart and so on have all but completely vanished from the Coffeehouse Sad

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    Dr Herbie

    @evildictaitor: I'm still here, and I'm still watching you ...

    I often wonder why I bother coming here, too.  It has seemed incredibly negative recently; but I'm not sure if that's just the lack of serotonin talking.

    Herbie

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    blowdart

    , evildictaitor wrote

    *snip*

    It's funny that you mention that - I was actually thinking of leaving C9 myself :/ It's not as fun as it used to be. Littleguru, Charles, W3bb0, Herbie, blowdart and so on have all but completely vanished from the Coffeehouse Sad

    I'm still here. Mostly moderating though. Kinda hard to relax when beer uses everything you say and presents it as a Microsoft policy or statement

     

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    MasterPi

    Apparently, the only thing stopping W3bbo from coming back is the fact that not a good number of people have expressed the desire for him to come back - people have only indirectly hinted at it.

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    Blue Ink

    , DeathByVisualStudio wrote

    @evildictaitor: Wow. You got reach back to the command line? Really? I don't suppose the command line had anything to do with the natural progression of computers? I think users found Windows 95 amazing it its day and Windows 7 was well received by the average joe.

    Afraid that's selective memory. The move to the new taskbar and the start button (as opposed to Program Manager) was widely criticized back then, not to mention the lack of a "true DOS".

    Yet, it allowed amazing things, such as connecting to the internet without having to master Trumpet and other arcane incantations, or using CD-ROMS more or less painlessly, or watching off-colored videos of Eddie Brickell. Enough to make people want to upgrade regardless.

    I don't know what might do it for Win8, geeks are not good judges of this kind of things. I wouldn't be surprised if a killer set of Metro apps would be enough...

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    @Blue Ink: What plant are you from? Windows 95 was a huge hit. I was a big fan of Microsoft back then. And I loved that Eddie Brickell track.

    It'll be interesting to see the RC in June if Microsoft is able to make their crappy Metro apps included in the CP tolerable (IOW something better than what's available on the iPad). I don't expect they're going to get much help from third-parties. IMO they'll start out by operating much like Nintendo and their quest for good third party apps.

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    Blue Ink

    , DeathByVisualStudio wrote

    @Blue Ink: What plant are you from? Windows 95 was a huge hit. I was a big fan of Microsoft back then. And I loved that Eddie Brickell track.

    In 1995? Among other things, a sustenia finalutiensis, fruitless and full of thorns Smiley

    My employer had the brilliant idea of instructing field support to route the impossible calls back to us developers and I got my fair share. Batch files that no longer worked, unknown apps crashing horribly, applications no longer showing status on their icon when minimized (live tiles ante litteram), confusion between desktop icons and active tasks, or people just venting off about not finding stuff on the start menu ("everything is so small"), tired rants about having to press start to shutdown. Not part of my happy thoughts.

    Yet, while everybody wanted something fixed, tweaked or explained, nobody ever asked to go back: Win95 enabled them to do so much more they cared about. Including the Eddie Brickell video that I also loved (until about the 500th time or so), despite the image quality.

    Fast forward to Win8, we are pretty much on the same page. I don't expect independent developers to contribute much for RTM, either: even just porting a WP7 app is no slam dunk if you want to do it right. I hope they contracted some of the big names, and possibly some great content.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    @Blue Ink: That's strange. I was doing network and desktop support back then and I had quite the opposite experience. People kept begging for the upgrade to Win95. A few needed help finding their stuff but it's not the "OMG my eyes are bleeding" kind of reaction I'm getting from my friends and family over W8.

    So if we apply your same reasoning over WP7 people will just get over it and eventually those things will be flying off the shelves right?

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    Bas

    , DeathByVisualStudio wrote

    @Bas: Could it be that Microsoft's decision making over the past couple of years has something to do with it? People who used to believe/agree with Microsoft's direction have left for greener pastures? That just leaves the extremists on both side; those that vocalize their frustrations and those that defend Microsoft regardless.

    That would be a convenient way to oversimpify things, yes. In reality though, it's just down to the behaviour of a handful of people determined to derail every single thread.

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    Blue Ink

    @DeathByVisualStudio: different demographics, I suppose. My point was that even vastly successful Windows versions had to face some sort of "upgrade friction": you always need a compelling story to get people to upgrade, and an even better one to get them to upgrade early.

    Not sure what WP7 has to do with all this: one thing is selling an upgrade, anotther thing is to get people to switch platforms. If anything, WP is unsuccessful despite the fact that it offers a great UI: it just doesn't enable you to do anything you cannot do with the other devices. And it's just not cool, but that's a different story.

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    AndyC

    , DeathByVisualStudio wrote

    @Blue Ink: What plant are you from? Windows 95 was a huge hit. I was a big fan of Microsoft back then. And I loved that Eddie Brickell track.

    When it was launched, yes (well aside from some scare stories about incompatible BIOSes that didn't actually amount to much).

    During the betas though there was much concern that changing the look and feel of Windows would just be a source of endless problems, that everyone would need to configure it to switch back to the old UI and general comments that people probably wouldn't upgrade because it was doomed to fail.

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