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Microsoft may buy Adobe

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    Bass

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKN0721049120101007

    "It would mark a major offensive in Microsoft's bid for a larger share of Internet media and mobile platforms by getting hold of Adobe's popular Flash player, used by many websites for video and graphics."

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    brian.​shapiro

    "Adobe insisted Microsoft abandon Silverlight and instead use Flash," Trip Chowdhry at Equity Research said in an e-mail, citing industry contacts' guess at what happened in the meeting. "Probably no decision got made."

    Microsoft wouldn't abandon Silverlight.

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    elmer

    Sounds like the sort of rumour you start if you have a butt-load of Adobe shares to off-load.

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    W3bbo

    Not going to happen. If Microsoft does buy Adobe, it will mark the beginning of the end of Bill's empire, because it means an idiot is in charge of corporate takeovers, and so this can only be the first of many stupid moves.

    Adobe is a firm that caters to the media, the idea that Microsoft would go after Adobe just because of Flash irresponsible and demonstrates a lack of understanding about what Adobe does.

    What is far more plausible, are talks about Microsoft buying the Flash division off Adobe (but still unlikely) or probably just talk of getting Flash on WP7, or getting Adobe to officially sanction a Silverlight-to-SWF (or Flash to Silverlight) programme.

     

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    JoshRoss

    I see little advantage for either company with Microsoft outright acquiring Adobe. Both companies have seemingly exhausted their growth opportunities in their primary markets. I don't foresee too many more people switching to Photoshop from a competitive product, or people switching from linux to Windows. Growth in these markets is out of the question. But, there are plenty of places to setup tollbooths, to make-up for lost potential revenue.

    Both Adobe and Microsoft would love to have a bigger slice of the mobile market. With Apple snubbing Adobe at every opportunity, and Microsoft getting caught with their pants down with the release of the iPhone, there is no shortage of men holding grudges in Redmond or San Jose.

    If you look at the most popular games on the iOS devices, many have roots in Flash based games. In the short run, if Adobe released Flash or something Flashy, for Windows Phone 7 to get access to Flash game developers, this could only help with Windows Phone 7 and mobile Flash uptake.

    Windows printing and document management is clunky at best. Adobe has all kinds of issues with security, and Microsoft as been working really intensely on security for a while now. If Adobe could integrate a better print workflow for Windows, and Microsoft could help with hardening Adobes applications, everyone wins.

    The Expression suite of products has a good head start with importing documents from Adobe apps. However, the relationship isn't nearly as symbiotic as it needs to be. There is a lot of potential for XAML in the future, it performs it's duties well, separating code from markup, while maintaining expressiveness for both programmers and designers. Adobe has a suite of killer design tools, that have desperately needed a feature set extension worthy of a version bump. I think you could get that set, with better integration with the world of developers. Microsoft at it's core is about developers, as Adobe has designer DNA.

    What the future needs is a chimera, how we are going to get there, I don't know. But I don't think we will get there with a merger of two adult companies. I would like to think that something can be created with a partnership; something like what GM and Toyota had in Nummi, with the resulting offspring being a big win for consumers, developers and designers.

    -Josh

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    magicalclick

    Why even bother with Flash when silverlight is better?

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    ManipUni

    This is just Microsoft's latest attempt in their long standing fight to get Adobe to stop producing insecure software... First they attempted to replace Flash, but no joy, then they attempted to replace Adobe Reader, now joy, and now they're just going to buy them for a trillion dollars and mash the delete key until the problem goes away.

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    Bas

    Would Microsoft buying Adobe even be legal? I'd imagine something like that setting off every possible antitrust bell in the US.

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    itsnotabug

    ms doesn't buy companies to support their products. it buys companies to destroy them.

    *IF* they were to aquire the flash division, i see them fazing it out in favor of silverlight, offering their customers an .net/expression blend upgrade path.

    //or this is all just media posturing to gain leverage in negotiations with other companies. the *real* talks never get publicized.

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    vesuvius

    @itsnotabug: And breaking the internet as we know it, i don't think so.

    It would be a strange acquisition, and would make an already huge company, that much huger.

    I hope it fails, if it is up for discussion.

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    itsnotabug

    @vesuvius:as a ms dev, why would you *hope* it fails? even though it's unlikely, i would see this as good news. they're going all in with silverlight wp7 and having the only other real competition (until html5 gets up to snuff) under the same roof would protect my interests/skillset. philosophically, it's a different story, but in a practical sense...

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    USArcher

    @vesuvius: Exactly, it makes about as much sense as acquiring Yahoo. About the only thing that might make sense is acquiring Flash.  Primarily because it is entrenched with online video services like YouTube and Hulu.  Though I wonder how these video services will adapt in 5 years, when HTML5 is common place.  I'm a Silverlight fan but there are no DLNA devices that support it.  I personally would love to see inexpensive boxes like Roku be able to access Media Center DVR and Live TV capabilities.

     

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    vesuvius

    I think competition is good because it drives innovation and makes things cheaper for us all in the end. Had Apple been a part of Microsoft, I doubt that the iCommodity market would have been as big as it is today. They are pushing Abobe Air, FLASH and countless other products, and it is up to Microsoft to ensure that Silverlight for example is as pervasive as flash.

    A few years ago, there was just the iPhone. Today you have Android and WP7. You can argue about which one you like and choose the one you like, how does a company promote competing products well?

    I am not scared of learning anything new, and hope that as I escalate in seniority, I can manage Java or Linux based systems. You cannot know it all, much like I don't think a company can do everything well, and Microsoft is already too big.

     

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    magicalclick

    , itsnotabug wrote

    ms doesn't buy companies to support their products. it buys companies to destroy them.

    *IF* they were to aquire the flash division, i see them fazing it out in favor of silverlight, offering their customers an .net/expression blend upgrade path.

    //or this is all just media posturing to gain leverage in negotiations with other companies. the *real* talks never get publicized.

    Nope, MS bought at least 20% Apple stock before Apple disappeared.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    PerfectPhase

    , itsnotabug wrote

    ms doesn't buy companies to support their products. it buys companies to destroy them.

    Explain this then.

    http://www.microsoft.com/systemcenter/en/us/opalis.aspx

     

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    Bass

    I'll chime in and say that Adobe has a lot more then just Flash. Let's not forget the entire Creative Suite, which is actually a very successful and well respected software system.

    Apple has this reputation as being a good choice for designer types, now imagine if Adobe^H^H^H^H^H Microsoft Creative Suite suddenly only supported Windows.

    So obviously there is some serious competitive value to owning Adobe. Now the question is how much is Adobe actually worth to Microsoft.

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    Ray7

    , Bass wrote

    Apple has this reputation as being a good choice for designer types, now imagine if Adobe^H^H^H^H^H Microsoft Creative Suite suddenly only supported Windows.

    Yes! Exactly like Microsoft Office is only available on WIn ... no wait, hang on...

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    PerfectPhase

    @Bass:  I'll support the merger if they put CS5 Master Suite on MSDN subscriber downloads Smiley

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