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Microsoft pulls-in effort to kill Ethernet!

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    Blue Ink

    @magicalclick: If you have to be tethered to an Ethernet cable most of the time, I doubt it makes sense to pay a premium for a mobile device. Nor does it make sense to accept the trade-offs between performance and battery life IMO.

    I'd rather wish the Surface got a SIM slot someday as that would make it more mobile.

     

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    magicalclick

    @Blue Ink: I believe you mis-understood my post. I am sorry of not describe all the potential scenarios, but, I am just too lazy to list all of them out.

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    evildictait​or

    , wastingtime​withforums wrote

    *snip*

    That driver is blacklisted in 8.1 and Microsoft demands from the vendor to pull it from their homepage.

    stop mixing terminology. Windows 8.1 which is a software distributed OS has very little to do with WindowsRT, which is the Microsoft iPad.

    WindowsRT does not support drivers that are not Microsoft-signed. Windows 8.1 in contrast will happily run all sorts of dubiously signed drivers, unless the driver is specifically blacklisted (Either for being malicious, eg rootkit drivers, or for being unstable on the newer OS, eg the WinPcap driver on Windows 8 when Win8 shipped)

    There are literally thousands of Ethernet drivers for Windows 8.1, because most every driver from Vista upwards just work on 8.1 out of the box.

    Windows 8.1 blocking drivers has nothing to do with the driver signing requirements of WindowsRT. They are entirely different concepts designed by entirely different teams in entirely different top level departments at Microsoft.

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    WithinRafael

    , evildictait​or wrote

    stop mixing terminology. Windows 8.1 which is a software distributed OS has very little to do with WindowsRT, which is the Microsoft iPad.

    WindowsRT does not support drivers that are not Microsoft-signed. Windows 8.1 in contrast will happily run all sorts of dubiously signed drivers, unless the driver is specifically blacklisted (Either for being malicious, eg rootkit drivers, or for being unstable on the newer OS, eg the WinPcap driver on Windows 8 when Win8 shipped)

    There are literally thousands of Ethernet drivers for Windows 8.1, because most every driver from Vista upwards just work on 8.1 out of the box.

    Obviously 8.1 in that case was referring to Windows RT 8.1. And the driver is digitally signed by Microsoft, so not sure why we need your driver spiel.

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    evildictait​or

    , Uxtheme Rafael wrote

    *snip*

    Obviously 8.1 in that case was referring to Windows RT 8.1. And the driver is digitally signed by Microsoft, so not sure why we need your driver spiel.

    The drivers WTWF is complaining about don't work on WindowsRT, 8.1 or not. The whole "Windows 8.1" thing is a red herring. The reason the drivers don't work on WindowsRT is because only Microsoft signed drivers will load on WindowsRT (this is a policy that can't be turned off, and affects only the tablets, not the PC editions of Windows). They didn't load on WindowsRT with 8 and they won't load on WindowsRT with 8.1.

    And no, the drivers WTWF is talking about aren't Microsoft signed drivers because Microsoft doesn't make NICs. They are probsbly Broadcom/Verisign signed, not Microsoft/Microsoft or Broadcom/Microsoft signed, hence why they don't load on the MicrosoftPad.

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    magicalclick

    I wonder who actually bought iPad Ethernet Adopters, they must be crazy. Perplexed

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    dahat

    , wastingtime​withforums wrote

    That's not comparable because the Surface has a webcam built-in already.

    And all Windows RT devices also have WiFi networking built in... so it's ok to limit one kind of device but not another? Interesting double standard you have there.

    If someone bought a Surface, it's their device and they can install whatever they may wish. I know, not very cool to say this in today's prison IT.

    Tell that to those who try to install third-party apps to a Surface outside of the Windows 8 store.

    Sure it's doable with a bit of work. Ditto goes for an unsupported Ethernet adapter.

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    WithinRafael

    , evildictait​or wrote

    *snip*

    The drivers WTWF is complaining about don't work on WindowsRT, 8.1 or not. The whole "Windows 8.1" thing is a red herring. The reason the drivers don't work on WindowsRT is because only Microsoft signed drivers will load on WindowsRT. They didn't load on WindowsRT with 8 and they won't load on WindowsRT with 8.1.

    And no, the drivers WTWF is talking about aren't Microsoft signed drivers because Microsoft doesn't make NICs. They are probsbly Broadcom/Verisign signed, not Microsoft/Microsoft or Broadcom/Microsoft signed, hence why they don't load on the MicrosoftPad.

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    As you can see from the screenshot above, the drivers are signed by Microsoft. And I'm using them on Windows RT 8.0 right now. Smiley

    I suspect the ASIX/Microsoft story goes like this:

    1. Microsoft signed these drivers for ASIX to perform in-house RT testing.
    2. ASIX, in confusion, put these up for download.
    3. Microsoft learned of this and requested pull down, given they're not certified for use on Windows RT.
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    felix9

    Valid to: July 9 2013 ??????

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    WithinRafael

    , felix9 wrote

    Valid to: July 9 2013 ??????

    It's countersigned and therefore valid past the Valid To date.

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