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Microsoft releases the Windows 10 UI you've always wanted -- and you can't have it!

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    TheTraveler

    From the looks of it, it seems like somebody inside Microsoft has just send a big f*** y** to all surface owners. The Tablet UI many people had hoped for, also here in the coffeehouse, has arrived in form of an update to the Surface RT devices.
     
     
     
    From ars:
    That update is now available through Windows Update and, as expected, it's a little peculiar. The Windows RT Start menu isn't the Windows 7 Start menu, nor is it the Windows 10 Start menu. Instead, it's essentially the same Start menu that was found in early Windows 10 previews. Windows 8's Start screen used an API known as DirectUI. This isn't published and isn't available for third-party developers; it was something used by Microsoft to build key parts of the Windows 8 user interface. The early Windows 10 previews also used DirectUI for their Start menu, but at some point during Windows 10's development, the DirectUI Start menu was replaced with one built using the XAML API. This is the same technology that third-party applications use.
    Source: arstechnica
     
    Thread title nicked from: betanews ... where it also says: It comes with all the goodness of Windows 8.1's refined touch UI plus a familiar old friend: A Start Menu that retains the core of the previous versions but supplements it with some new-fangled Live Tile tricks
     
    That UI together with the awesomeness of continuum. Boy wish I could have that in win 10.
     
    Sad day for ppl that use a windows 10 tablet as a ... tablet.

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    Bas

    Finally! A desktop friendly menu on an OS that doesn't run desktop apps. Just what I've always wanted!

    In what way is this different than the Win10 menu, by the way?

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    TheTraveler

    @Bas: The major difference is that you have a useful start menu in desktop mode.

    When you are on a tablet with no mouse/keyboard attached, you have the interface + start screen from windows 8.x 

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    TheTraveler

    from the betanews artice:  And make no mistake, this is the user interface customers really wanted. It has a Start Menu, but not the bifurcated mess that saddles Windows 10. This is a real Start Menu, with the same nested folders and quick links so familiar to Windows 7 users. Sure, there are Live Tiles sitting to the right of the menu. But these seem more like afterthoughts -- tacked-on extras that enhance, but don't displace, the Start Menu's core functionality.

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    Bas

    , TheTraveler wrote

    @Bas: The major difference is that you have a useful start menu in desktop mode.

    Wait, there's a useful start menu in desktop mode in Win10 as well, so that can't be it. 

     

    Seriously though: be more precise. "Useful" means nothing. How does the interface differ? What can you do with this menu that you can't with the Win10 one?

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    TheTraveler

    sorry, if i am point my arguments in the wrong direction. I dont really think there is anything wrong with the start menu in windows 10. 

    What i miss from in windows 10 tablet mode is the charms bars and the start screen from windows 8. The RT update shows, that Microsoft could have keeped all that and then added a start menu. There really wasn't any need to removed all the touch friendlyness found in windows 8.

     

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    TheTraveler

    and with continuum the charmsbars could have been hidden from desktop users and everybody would have been happy (i believe)

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    TheTraveler

    I honestly believe Microsoft had nailed the touch interface with windows 8. Yes, there is always room for improvements, but ... it is a bloody good tablet interface and I hope they would bring it back

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    spivonious

    I have to admit that I don't use the Charms bar on my RT tablet. I do like the swipe-from-left for quick app switching though. The implementation in Win10 requires a swipe and tap instead of just swipes.

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    bondsbw

    @TheTraveler:  What did the Charms Bar do that the Action Center on Windows 10 doesn't?

    I know that search is moved to the task bar, and share is moved into the apps where it makes more sense.  Other than that, I feel like Action Center is much more useful.

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    magicalclick

    , TheTraveler wrote

    sorry, if i am point my arguments in the wrong direction. I dont really think there is anything wrong with the start menu in windows 10. 

    What i miss from in windows 10 tablet mode is the charms bars and the start screen from windows 8. The RT update shows, that Microsoft could have keeped all that and then added a start menu. There really wasn't any need to removed all the touch friendlyness found in windows 8.

     



    Win10 swipe left >>>>>>>>>>>> Win8 swipe left. It is a no brainer so much that, charm bar is a total garbage in comparison. And no, notification center is what charm bar should have been. Not the other way around.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    vesuvius

    , magicalclick wrote

    Not the other way around.

    The charms bar was a complete and utter mistake. On a macbook you have a notification panel that pops out the same way the charms bar did, but closing a window is on the other side so that works, in desktop mode on Win 8 you constantly activated it by mistake when wanting to close a window. NB: but you love Metro so never encountered this issue.

    The Charms bar is Win 8 desktop mode is indefensible, it was as pleasant to work with as a pile of horse manure (if you only used the desktop).

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    magicalclick

    , vesuvius wrote

    *snip*

    The charms bar was a complete and utter mistake. On a macbook you have a notification panel that pops out the same way the charms bar did, but closing a window is on the other side so that works, in desktop mode on Win 8 you constantly activated it by mistake when wanting to close a window. NB: but you love Metro so never encountered this issue.

    The Charms bar is Win 8 desktop mode is indefensible, it was as pleasant to work with as a pile of horse manure (if you only used the desktop).



    It is also confusing. The settings are all over the place. Sand share button is basically useless.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    MasterPi

    My issue with the charms bar, even when it did work with metro apps, was that it felt like it should have been anchored to the bottom of the screen or to the top, almost as if someone had moved the taskbar to the sides. So, you'd have a bunch of buttons that were vertically oriented when the rest of the OS top-level buttons were horizontally oriented, which made it slightly disorienting choosing an option in the bar.

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    Ian2

    Just updated my wife's Surface RT - looks good.

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