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Minimal excitement to real PC, aka WM

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    magicalclick

    http://www.winbeta.org/news/microsoft-downplay-windows-phone-2016

    Don't expect anything cool around WM for 2016, it is not their focus, said MS. Yes, a slap in the face to WP/WM fans who are very loyal to MS. But, I doubt it matters when the population is too tiny to care.

    MS, I don't fault your decision. It is what it is. But, heed my warning. Phone is the real PC, the real Personal Computer. Your failure to deliver PC will make you, well, not a PC anymore. You have being brainwashed by Apple to become less PC while Apple and Google are all becoming more and more PC. There is nothing wrong with your choice. But, PC is where the real money is. PC is the front end that dictates the back end.

    I am not saying you shouldn't focus on back end. I am saying you need to give enough attention on front end, which is PC, which is Personal Computing, which is Phone.

    Maybe you don't want to be PC anymore. I don't fault that. But, please strongly reconsider leaving PC behind.

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    TexasToast

    Don't be so surprised the writing was on the wall.  A lot of us already bought an Android, iPhone, or are looking for one already.   On the bright side, you can take visual studio and program all of them.  I like the remote C++ programming of Linux too.   The Linux / Bash announcement is nice but I personally wont need it since I use VM's or real Linux boxes.   

     

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    bondsbw

    They didn't say they were killing WM.  But it is not part of their immediate roadmap.

    We're fully committed to that 4-inch screen, there will be a time for it to be our focus, but right now it's part of the family, but it's not the core of where I hope to generate developer interest over the next year ... We're going to do some cool things with phones, but this year phones are an important part of our family but not the tip of the spear.

    Perhaps they actually have a roadmap and strategy, and realize that other pieces need to be in place before WM can stand apart from the competition.

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    MasterPi

    It's a dev conference and the push has been for UWP and for Windows being the dev center. There really shouldn't be a lot of dev features that are WM-only. They didn't really call out anything for Windows desktop, either (although, I haven't seen the tiles, notifications sessions yet).

    I suspect there will be more info when we get closer to the now-annual device event.

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    magicalclick

    @bondsbw: Thus I said, minimal excitement. It is not dead of course.

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    magicalclick

    @MasterPi: Read the link, MS specifically said WM is not their focus in 2016.

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    cheong

    @magicalclick: That's surprising, as there were rumors about Surface Phone like a month before.

    If they plan to release it in 2017, I think Microsoft should release some detail about it sometime near Oct to Dec.

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    elmer

    , cheong wrote

    If they plan to release it in 2017, I think Microsoft should release some detail about it sometime near Oct to Dec.

    Everyone was talking up the Intel connection a while back, suggesting that the "Surface Phone" might be the new Jesus device for MS - the PC in your pocket thing.

    However, Intel have recently started talking down the future of their "Atom" derived SOC product line, with some observers now speculating that Intel might even go as far as to kill it off.

    If MS were actually working on an Intel product, then this might be forcing a major re-think.

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    MasterPi

    , magicalclick wrote

    @MasterPi: Read the link, MS specifically said WM is not their focus in 2016.

    I don't have to because I've already read the news from multiple sources. It's not their focus, but that doesn't mean they're going to suddenly stop talking about it and then just pick up the conversation in a year.

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    MasterPi

    Also,

    Mehedi Hassan@mehedih_ 8h8 hours ago

    You will also be able to project Continuum from a Windows 10 Mobile to a Windows 10 PC. Nice!

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    Though, I'm not really sure what the point is...
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    magicalclick

    , MasterPi wrote

    Also,

    Mehedi Hassan@mehedih_ 8h8 hours ago

    You will also be able to project Continuum from a Windows 10 Mobile to a Windows 10 PC. Nice!

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    Though, I'm not really sure what the point is...

    Depends on how you look at it. It is basically remote desktop from your PC to your phone. You don't need two monitors. Why would I remote desktop to phone instead of just using the UWP on my own PC? I don't know. The tech is very neat, but, I don't see the use case. For example, I would much rather carry SP4 around than carrying 950 dock around. Maybe just so, you don't need to pay extra data plan for SP4, because you can talk to internet using 950.

    Of course, it is a lot more useful IFF WM sold a lot like iPhone, because those existing phone users will be able to ditch their desktop. But, no one would buy a phone they don't use just to replace their desktop.

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    MasterPi

    @magicalclick: I'm wondering if computer to computer projecting is for sharing scenarios. Currently, sharing anything between devices (clipboard, documents) happens through a third party like apps or network/cloud services. Here'd it'd be like a VM in which you can naturally copy and move things between the two instances.

    Who knows?

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    kettch

    @magicalclick: Don't think of it in terms of using your phone from your own computer. Rather, think about how you would use continuum when you are away from your own devices, but have access to other people's devices. The scenario for me is plugging my phone into my work computer and being able to have continuum up on my phone so that I can do various things on the larger screen.

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    magicalclick

    @kettch: That's where the nay. There are few things I would need that, which is Word and Excel. And those are already synced to OneDrive. I could just use my desktop to edit the word doc. I already have the desktop at my disposal, might as well just use that instead of phone.

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    kettch

    @magicalclick: What if it's someone else's desktop, at work, or one in some public venue where you don't want the security risk of logging into your accounts and/or having files downloaded locally?

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    elmer

    https://hi-tech.mail.ru/review/Woodman-WindowsPhone-Build2016/

    Russian - needs translation e.g. Chrome.

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    magicalclick

    @kettch: I wouldn't plug WM into those computers via USB if I worry about security. If projection over WiDi, not USB to computer, I would have to bring my own keyboard because the computer may have key logger, which is just as annoying.

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    MasterPi

    , kettch wrote

    @magicalclick: What if it's someone else's desktop, at work, or one in some public venue where you don't want the security risk of logging into your accounts and/or having files downloaded locally?

    In this scenario, why wouldn't you just connect it directly to the monitor? Like magicalclick outlined, if the risk is "using someone else's machine," you're not exactly circumventing it by...connecting to someone else's machine.

    Also, the target machine needs to be Win 10...

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