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Modular Surface Pro/Book

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    Ian2

    I came upon the first article which makes a good/reasoned argument for a Modular Surface.  Then I came across the second link which looks like an interesting take (basically a keyboard that turns a Pro into a Laptop - albeit not as elegantly done as the Book!).

    This stemmed after confirming that The tablet section of the new "Performance Book" is technically the same as the previous Surface Book.

    A separate Performance Base might be a desirable product for existing Surface Book owners?

    http://www.lovemysurface.net/dell-canvas-vs-surface-studio-comparable/

    https://www.brydgekeyboards.com/products/brydge-12-3

     

    Pro Modular Keyboard

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    TheTraveler

    I will not consider getting a surface book until the tablet section come with a kick stand. I have no use for it if it cannot stand up by it self. Everybody I see with an ipad (which is comparable to the tablet part of the surface book in this regard) all has a cover that act as the kick stand because of they have that need too. Ideally the tablet part of the book should be the surface tablet ... but read somewhere that is not possible due to the weight distribution. So no surface book for me :|

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    Ian2

    @TheTraveler:What do you think of that second link as a solution? (No need for a Surface Book)

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    TheTraveler

    That is a good solution. Surface book should have a kick stand like that

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    figuerres

    I will not consider getting a surface book until the tablet section come with a kick stand. I have no use for it if it cannot stand up by it self. Everybody I see with an ipad (which is comparable to the tablet part of the surface book in this regard) all has a cover that act as the kick stand because of they have that need too. Ideally the tablet part of the book should be the surface tablet ... but read somewhere that is not possible due to the weight distribution. So no surface book for me :|

     

    I am a bit confused on your post,

    i have a surface book...

    i can use the "tablet" part by it's self ala the ipad  , so the tablet part is a tablet.

    the kick-stand part i see two things, one is that someone could make a cover / kickstand addon that could be just like the ipad.

    but the base of the book can be the "kickstand" in most cases,  the tablet part docks to the base with the screen facing the keyboard or facing away from the keyboard, i can tilt the screen and set it with the screen facing me  and have it at an angle like the kickstands do just that my kickstand is bigger so to speak.

    also when docked i get the longer battery life....

    the only thing i dislike is the gpu / display port setup  - it's not bad but could be better, it can drive two 4k displays but not at 60 Hz.

    also the dock blocks the mini display port on the base so you can't run more than 2 external displays.

    but in my normal use these are not a problem for me.

     

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    TheTraveler

    @figuerres: it is because i mostly use the tablet when laying on my back with the tablet resting on my stomach.

    With my old Surface 2, i could put the keyboard underneath, and the tablet could stand by it self on top of the keyboard and both my arms where free. The keyboard, the kickstand and the screen will form like a triangle and it is a very stable and comfortable configuration, when laying down on you back.

    With my current lenova yoga i can bend the keyboard backwards and it can rest on my stomach also in a very stable configuration and i still have both hands free. 

    With the Surface book I would have to hold the tablet with both hands all the time which i would find annoying and not very practical.

     

     

     

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    Ian2

    @TheTraveler:You can put the Surface Book screen on "backwards" so it should give you the same experience as a Yoga.

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    TheTraveler

    Yes i know you can. But that it not what the form factor suggest you to do. it suggest you to detach the screen and then you have a tablet. My point is. That because that tablet part of the book does not have a kick stand there are number of tablet use cases it is not good at. Like laying on your back and watching movies. The surface on the other hand excel as a tablet form factor but it lacks the performance base.

     

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    Ian2

    I don't know, I just tried your use case (on my back with reversed screen) and it works pretty well - both hands free, though personally I don't find it a very comfortable way to work (my bones might be a bit too old maybe) :(

    (I was going to post a picture but thought better of it)

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    figuerres

    I don't know, I just tried your use case (on my back with reversed screen) and it works pretty well - both hands free, though personally I don't find it a very comfortable way to work (my bones might be a bit too old maybe) :(

    (I was going to post a picture but thought better of it)

     

    LOL, if i did it would not be very pretty with my bulging waist and all ....  at 55+ years etc....

    ;)

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    androidi

    Sort of cool and disappointing at the same time. If the SPro was bigger then this could have dedicated home/end/del/pg.updn and would be a lot more appealing. Yeah I know if you use VIM/Emacs shortcuts then maybe you can do without those keys but umm if you follow "KISS principle" then one might ask how does putting functions behind modifier keys make things simpler? It's kinda like those early FM synths with lots of 0...127 values but no faders or knobs so editing them is just painful.

    Now if you wanted to be really innovative you'd have not only vertical row of home,end,pgupdn,del "key column" (right side of enter key) but also another vertical "key column" (right of that column or left of left tab) with touch bar that could be used to instantly assign a % value into a control - such can be found in some synths but it would be great in a laptop for creative people.

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    TheTraveler

    I don't know, I just tried your use case ... I don't find it a very comfortable way to work

    Laying down is not a work position, unfortunately  :) 

    When I am sitting at my desk I do work. When I lay on my back with my tablet I am off duty and turns into a consumer. So no work while laying down.

    The 2 in 1 form factor and windows 10 allows me to only have  one device for both work and leisure.

    When at my desk the surface book would be connected to external monitors, external keyboard and a mouse (I have a docking station for this).

    The idea is when I am finish with work, the Surface Book form factor allows me to detach the screen and start using the device as a tablet without me having to unplug all the cables. I simply press a button, the screen comes off and I have a tablet. When I have to work again, i move my a** from the bed to my table, attach the screen again to the performance base, and I am back in desktop work mode. Easy. Beautiful. awesome. convenient. (way better that then yoga, where I have to pull out/ plug in cables for this.) 

    but what I am trying to say is that the tablet part of the book are missing the kick stand in order to become a good tablet devices. It is for the same reason you see most ipad user with at external cover with a kickstand. 

    So if a surface book wants to become the ultimate 2 in 1 devices, it needs to be a good tablet by itself  and that means a built in kick stand in my opinion.

    If I have to move the entire book (including the performance base) to my bed when I want to use it as a tablet, then what is the point of that the screen can detach?

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    Ian2

    *snip*

    If I have to move the entire book (including the performance base) to my bed when I want to use it as a tablet, then what is the point of that the screen can detach?

    IMO The definition of a tablet does not include a kickstand - that was always a nice to have (or not if you didn't want the extra baggage).

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    magicalclick

    I have that idea before. But, it is a confusing product creates in-fighting with its existing product offerings.

    SP already has kickstand and a sturdy keyboard, if not completely solid, but, the thiness, the weight, the texture, the snap are vastly more appealing. Making a solid base sends mixed messages to consumers.

    SB like other said, you don't need the kickstand because it can just turn around and dock the keyboard. And SB tablet mode isn't meant for long use compare to SP. The screen is too big, creating too much torque on the hands. So, SB is not meant to be a real tablet. There is SP for that.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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