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    davewill

    , Charles wrote

    That's all you got, Niners?

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    I'll need an intel and arm unit first.  The shipping address is <deleted so google doesn't fly over taking more pics> Smiley

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    raymond

    A very aggressive pricing point will be key if they expect ot take marketing share from Apple.

    Under $400 for the Windows 8 Pro version

    Under $300 for the  Windows RT

    I seriously doubt Microsoft will be this aggressive.

    Cool

     

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    wkempf

    , raymond wrote

    A very aggressive pricing point will be key if they expect ot take marketing share from Apple.

    Under $400 for the Windows 8 Pro version

    Under $300 for the  Windows RT

    I seriously doubt Microsoft will be this aggressive.

    Cool 

    Other devices will go the route of cheap. To compete against Apple the RT version could go as high as $450 and the Pro version as high as $1000. $450 is $50 cheaper than the cheapest iPad. $1000 is higher than the most expensive iPad, but it's also a full PC. My money is on $400 and $800 give or take. This makes them "competitive" against comparable tablets and ultrabooks respectively, which is what Microsoft said at the press conference. I'd love to see cheaper, but don't expect to, and frankly they don't need to.

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    JoshRoss

    @raymond: You'd be luck to get the 64GB of flash for $400.

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    Minh

    I wonder if MS will subsidize this hardware like it does w/ the Xbox.

    Because last year, didn't Apple announced that devs sold $2 billions worth of apps? Then 30% of that goes to Apple.

    The question is then, does MS sell more than 30% of $2B in Win8 licenses to OEMs?

     

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    Ian2

    Those pricing options are unrealistically optimistic imo. 

    I would expect pricing parity with the equivalent spec iPad and high end Ultrabook respectively.

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    Bas

    I expect $400 at least for the WinRT version. $500 seems more likely. Which would still make it compete with the iPad, but not as easy a choice for consumers. $450 seems like the sweet spot, but it still sounds optimistic.

    The pro one... I wouldn't be surprised at $1000. It'd be a mistake, but it wouldn't surprise me. I wonder if they can sell these things at a loss by subsidizing them from app sales, sort of like with the 360.

    Edit: so, yeah. What Minh said. *cough*

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    GoddersUK

    , JoshRoss wrote

    @raymond: You'd be luck to get the 64GB of flash for $400.

    I don't see why, they could just drop the chips from a couple of these in:

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/32GB-SanDisk-Class-4-32-G-GB-SD-HC-Secure-Digital-Memory-Card-/280886141110?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_PDAsAccessories_MemoryCards&hash=item41661e60b6

    Unless that extra $350 all goes into making the flash chips faster (because I do agree that a class 4 sd card probably isn't fast enough to run an OS off at decent performance... but surely it doesn't take an extra $350 to get to that performance?).

     

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    Ray7

    , wastingtimewithforums wrote

    *snip*

    OK, watched it. My pants and underwear are still dry though.

    Ballmer started it with a Jobs-tastic marketing babble ("everyone is excited about Metro and Windows 8!") and then it went on and on about how light it is and the cool things they are doing with magnesium and their l33t metallurgy skillz.

    Touch cover also feels just like a book, should be also available at sex shops and the guy who designed would probably marry it right away if he wouldn't have his pesky wife around him.

    The actual workflow presentation was very shallow though. Some good old stylus magic and the fact that you can copy files to it..

    Frankly, there was not much shown what another tablet with pluged-in keyboard and plastic holder couldn't do. I doubt the general public cares much about Dumbledore-approved magnesium-alchemy given how many cheap plastic crapdroids are selling.

    Kudos though for noticing that typing letters on a touchscreen * sucks. For this alone I hope this device will be more succesful than the other touch-only devices and stomps out the everything-must-be-touch disease.

    The RT version? Meh.

    The presentation was not that good. To me, it came across as a desperate sales pitch from the 50s, especially when someone shoehorned the phrase 'liquid metal' into it. The crash was pretty much expected, as this is very much a version 1.0 product (nice recovery though).

    The whole new paradigm thing? Mmmm. Not really.

    In fact I was getting quite bored until they wheeled on the Intel version. 

    Now we're talkin'!  This covers everything that MS needs it to. For light workloads, it could be the device to replace EVERYTHING, and most importantly, it can handle the legacy stuff too. 

    Watching them use it on stage though, I was a little concerned about the interface. When I tried it, I did find it a little bit tiresome trying to get to where I wanted. I put this down to unfamiliarity, but now I'm not so sure.

    Both devices look extremely well put together though. They've built something without compromise (the digitiser stuff sounds amazing)

    I was quite impressed actually.

    But of course, if you're not a tablet fan... Smiley

     

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    JohnAskew

    If it truly can deliver the beef for my programming needs, then I'm getting the high end version.

    I like the frankness this reviewer shares. ...Did Apple ever buy back the stock Microsoft bought from them to keep them solvent?

    Microsoft isn't a follower but a leader. For anyone in the Apple Fan Club suggesting Microsoft is imitating iPad's maker, get a real life. Put down the Kool-Aid. Microsoft pioneered the tablet market a decade ago and sought to break into the low-cost, touchscreen computer market six years past. But the company was beholden to hardware partners. No longer. Microsoft is doing with Surface what it should have done years ago -- design, brand and sell its own PC hardware, software and services platform. The software giant has bled too much for OEMs far too long.

    re: http://betanews.com/2012/06/19/surface-is-project-origamis-revenge/

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    wkempf

    @Bas: $450 doesn't sound optimistic to me. Most tablets run between $400 and $450. Even the iPad starts at $499. If Microsoft can't hit $450 they are simply in trouble, and I think $400 is the sweet spot. My $800 is certainly conservative, however. Several Ultrabooks sell for around this price point or even below, but all of the sensors and other hardware in this device almost certainly make it more expensive. However, high end Ultrabooks go for around $1200 and I think Microsoft has to get below that. $1000 is likely more reasonable, which is why I used that figure when I talked about how high they could go and still compete against Apple. However, this is a case where it would make sense to subsidize the hardware a bit for a competitive advantage, and so I don't think $800 is out of the question here. Especially when you consider the high end iPad goes for $829. Yeah, I get that this device likely costs more to make than the high end iPad, but Microsoft has to make it compelling for consumers comparing the two devices who may not understand or care about how the Surface Pro is a full PC. The only reason I can see flawed in this reasoning would be if Microsoft were concerned about the other OEM providers, who can't subsidize their Win8 devices with Windows Market software sales.

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    wastingtime​withforums

    , Ray7 wrote

    *snip*

    The presentation was not that good. To me, it came across as a desperate sales pitch from the 50s, especially when someone shoehorned the phrase 'liquid metal' into it. 

    The last ten minutes were quite lol worthy though - the Touch Cover presentation.

    "When you touch, you wanna gonna hold it. I promise you"

    "Nothing stirrs me more, nothing gets me more excited than Touch Cover!"

    "My Surface knows what is connected to it"

    "It also had to be a cover you wanted to connect. Something you always had with you, something that gave you confidence"

    "You can't miss, we force you do not miss!"

    "feels like a book, holds like book, organically like a book, carries like a book! Bookasm!!"

    "it just feels... perfect."

    "you gonna fall in love with Touch Cover, I know I have. I am seriously in love with it, and besides my wife, Touch Cover is my number two. It's very important to me. I never want to take Touch Cover off."

    "you never have to take it off, and underneath your fingertips.. it feels GREAT!"

    "an experience like no other"

    Who needs youporn when you have Touch Cover?

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    spivonious

    I think the prices speculated above should be the MSRPs. $450 and $999. Then subsidize some big sales on launch so they're down to $349 and $799. Finally, sell them at big box stores. Microsoft Stores and online is not going to get Windows 8 into the hands of the common consumer. There is one Apple store in my town, and seven within a two hour drive. There are zero Microsoft Stores in my state.

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    Ray7

    , wastingtimewithforums wrote

    *snip*

    The last ten minutes were quite lol worthy though - the Touch Cover presentation.

    "When you touch, you wanna gonna hold it. I promise you".

    Yes, you can try too hard with these things sometimes ...  Sad

     

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    wkempf

    @spivonious: Can't agree more about getting these on shelves in B&M stores. On launch day, Walmart and Target (too name two big B&M stores in the US) should have shelves full of these devices. Big sales on launch isn't such a bad idea either. Addresses the concerns about the OEMs not being able to subsidize like Microsoft can, but gets the price low enough to be very exciting to consumers.

    Actually, thinking about subisizing, Microsoft could track what device is used to purchase software and offer a percentage of their 30% take to the OEM of the device. That would allow them to do some subsidizing on the price, as well as encourage them to produce products consumers would truly like.

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    kettch

    , GoddersUK wrote

    *snip*

    I don't see why, they could just drop the chips from a couple of these in:

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/32GB-SanDisk-Class-4-32-G-GB-SD-HC-Secure-Digital-Memory-Card-/280886141110?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_PDAsAccessories_MemoryCards&hash=item41661e60b6

    Unless that extra $350 all goes into making the flash chips faster (because I do agree that a class 4 sd card probably isn't fast enough to run an OS off at decent performance... but surely it doesn't take an extra $350 to get to that performance?).

     

    Because it's not just a flash memory chip. It's better termed an SSD. In an SSD, everything from the chips to the controller tends to be much higher performance and quality than what goes into a CF or SD card.

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    Ian2

    @Ray7:Yes, that guy must have had a tough time from the wife when he got home (if he still has one).  I have to assume he doesn't have any kids yet (apart from the one of course)

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    MasterPi

    , spivonious wrote

    I think the prices speculated above should be the MSRPs. $450 and $999. Then subsidize some big sales on launch so they're down to $349 and $799. Finally, sell them at big box stores. Microsoft Stores and online is not going to get Windows 8 into the hands of the common consumer. There is one Apple store in my town, and seven within a two hour drive. There are zero Microsoft Stores in my state.

    I'm curious what their bundling strategies will be (if any). Like, in the Microsoft Store currently, if you purchase certain Windows PCs as a student, you'll get a free 360. Of course, this in itself is a PC. They could just offer massive educational discounts...

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