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Monopoly Microsoft was more customer friendly than today's "friendly" Microsoft

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    figuerres

    well I do not know about prices but I do feel that Microsoft in the last few years has become less fun to deal with, I recall around 2000 to 2005  when I liked going to Microsoft developer events.

    in the last 2 years I have not even given them a thought as the few they have done were to far away and to expensive.   they used to have local events that had no cost other than time taken off work and going to them.  at the local events I had time to talk to MS staff and get good info and make connections. they stopped doing that and the local guy who used to do them now works for a different company.

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    Lizard​Rumsfeld

    , evildictait​or wrote

    @wkempf:

    It's also pretty disingenuous since Windows8 - Microsoft biggest launch in 2012 - is a tiny fraction of the price of similar operating systems in previous releases of Windows, hence entirely demolishing the argument that "Microsoft is raising prices across the board".

    ...this post would have been more relevant a week ago, before MS raised prices back to what they were with Win7.

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    wastingtime​withforums

    , wkempf wrote

     
    However, this argument is pretty much a lie in any event, because the "rental" model isn't you're only option, and the price of Office hasn't gone up.

    Of course it has. You were able to transfer licenses from one computer to another with the previous Office versions, that's gone. You need to pay up for every PC install the full price again now, even if your old PC got damaged and you (or the repair service) only installed a new mainboard there. Price increase.

    Older versions had dual licensing ("2PC/1 User") - one Office license was valid for a desktop AND a notebook install. That's gone. Price increase.

    The family packs for Home and Student introduced with Office 2007 (3 licenses for around 150-160$) are gone as well. Price increase. And a really hefty one for this group. Particulary if they don't need Outlook.

    And the free "Starter Edition" is gone as well.

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    Bas

    , Charles wrote

    @MasterPie: Nope. That attr is not placed on threads.

    C

    Can this be added in future versions of C9?

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    kettch

    @Craig_Matthews, @wkempf:

    Actually, I have zero problems with companies sticking with what works. I'm just trying to point out that most companies do so quietly and go about there business. There's a few recently who have been more vocal as if they need to bash Microsoft in order to justify their position. Regardless of how they do it, the trolls always come out and use it as an excuse to say that Product X sucks.

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    MasterPi

    , Bas wrote

    *snip*

    Can this be added in future versions of C9?

    AFAIK, you can make your own data-[some name] attributes. If not data-author...data-op?

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    ZippyV

    , Bas wrote

    *snip*

    Can this be added in future versions of C9?

    Why use this stupid hack instead of just adding an ignore button?

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    Bas

    @ZippyV: Because this stupid hack actually has a chance of getting implemented.

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    Charles

    @Bas: Ignore function is in our feature request database. I see a user ignore feature as being most useful at the thread level (for example, I have no interest in seeing any of the threads by wastingtimewithforums since they have proven to be, well, a waste of my time...), but for the post level the stupid hack already works today...
    C

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    Craig_​Matthews

    , wastingtime​withforums wrote

    *snip*

    Of course it has. You were able to transfer licenses from one computer to another with the previous Office versions, that's gone. You need to pay up for every PC install the full price again now, even if your old PC got damaged and you (or the repair service) only installed a new mainboard there. Price increase.

    Older versions had dual licensing ("2PC/1 User") - one Office license was valid for a desktop AND a notebook install. That's gone. Price increase.

    The family packs for Home and Student introduced with Office 2007 (3 licenses for around 150-160$) are gone as well. Price increase. And a really hefty one for this group. Particulary if they don't need Outlook.

    And the free "Starter Edition" is gone as well.

     

    To be fair, almost everything you said is accurate and it is an effective price increase on Microsoft Office, but the issue with the license transfer isn't entirely true:

    Yes, you can no longer transfer a retail license of Office (starting with 2013) to another computer. This forces a user to buy Office 2013 retail again if they replace their computer and I too see this as a price increase, of course.

    BUT, the EULA defines a computer simply as a hardware system with a storage device. I'm pretty sure Microsoft would have a difficult time convincing a judge that Dell replacing one piece of a "hardware system with a storage device" makes it a "different" computer (Dell does not rip off the service tag sticker and replace it with a new one when they replace a motherboard. In fact, they program the existing service tag into the motherboard). Same serial number = same computer as far as licensing goes, and I'll take that all the way to a judge without a worry.

    So yah, Microsoft is now making people pay again for Office (retail) if they replace their computer (which I think is BS on Microsoft's part), but they're not making people pay again if they replace their motherboard, or their RAM, or their power supply.

    The loss of dual licensing would really screw me if I was intending on upgrading to 2013. I have two retail licenses of Office 2010 one assigned to my desktop and my netbook, and the other assigned to my other desktop and other netbook. If I upgrade, I'll have to buy four licenses.

    As far as the retail license transfer, Microsoft can raise their prices all they want, whether it's a stupid business move or not I really don't know -- but I think machine-locking a retail, store bought license, to a machine upon installation is quite a bit dickish, if not borderline violating the first sale doctrine. The retail license didn't come with the computer.

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    Sven Groot

    , Charles wrote

    @Bas: Ignore function is in our feature request database.

    And after being there for about 8 years, none of us really expect it to ever get implemented anymore. Wink

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    Charles

    @Sven Groot: Sven, you're too smart Smiley

    Remember, the number 9 is special.
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    fanbaby

    http://winsupersite.com/office-2013/office-2013-gotcha-standalone-products-are-one-pc-only

    Read the comments, ooch!

    Me? Like Chris Pirillo, a huge google docs fan. Sure, it's not up to par with office blah blah blah.... It used to be that office was one of the first things I install. Now, the last time I installed it was about 3 years ago. Also anyone presenting in a tech conference lately, that use Power Point instead of web-based presentation, risk looking totally uncool Wink 

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    elmer

    , fanbaby wrote

    *snip*

    risk looking totally uncool Wink 

    But it's really cool to look uncool.

    Whatever is cool, do the opposite, because that's *really* cool.

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    kettch

    @fanbaby: Right, because I want to be at the mercy of conference WiFi.

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    Bass

    , kettch wrote

    @fanbaby: Right, because I want to be at the mercy of conference WiFi.



    file:///home/kettch/hipster_slides/index.html

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    Sven Groot

    , fanbaby wrote

    Also anyone presenting in a tech conference lately, that use Power Point instead of web-based presentation, risk looking totally uncool Wink 

    So, that's everyone, then? Based on my experience at computer science conferences, it's about 90% PowerPoint, 9.9999% PDF, and I saw one Prezi presentation once (and god, all the zooming about hugely distracted from the content).

    And as kettch says, conference Wi-Fi tends to be very, very flaky. I want to have my presentation on my laptop's hard drive. And on a thumb drive, in case my laptop fails. And on SkyDrive (so I can download it, well in advance of the actual talk), in case the thumb drive also fails.

    Yeah, I'm paranoid. But I've also never lost any data. Smiley

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    wastingtime​withforums

    Oh my God, Microsoft's new licensing terms for Office could be even worse than I thought.

    Some say that the HARD DRIVE constitues a new PC according to MS support:

    I inquired with them on a sales chat. They said I could re-install on the same machine, but not if I changed just my hard drive

    ...

    Ian: How do you define a new PC? Can I re-format my PC and reinstall? What if I upgrade to an SSD?
    John Y [MS REP]: Yes, you can reformat and reinstall. Basically if this is a new hard drive or completely new PC you cannot transfer the software

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    MS usually defined the motherboard as the main PC piece. If you changed that, you got a new computer. But as anyone with a bit of IT knowledge knows, hard drives have usually a shorter life than mainboards. Of all PC components, hard drives are also the most sensitive to physical hits, shaking, jolting (entirely possible with a notebook). If it's true what the sales rep said, then MS has decided to tie Office to the most unreliable piece in a computer. Genius move!

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