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More proof MS is becoming irrelevant (sorry)

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    BitFlipper

    I was looking for a game guide for Defiance, a game that has been released for Windows, Xbox 360 and PS3. So I went to Amazon and found this. Great, exactly what I'm looking for. Except...

    Only available on these devices:

    • Kindle Fire
    • Kindle Fire HD
    • Kindle Cloud Reader
    • Kindle for iPad
    • Kindle for Android

    Hmmm, weird. Amazon has a Windows Phone Kindle app. Maybe someone just forgot to update the above list. Let me search for that book via the Windows Phone Kindle app... "Sorry, not available on your device". Why? Why would the book not be compatible with the WP Kindle app?

    Oh well, let's check out the "Kindle Cloud Reader" (this was on Windows 7 running the latest IE 10). Sorry, only available for Chrome, Safari and Firefox. So what happened to following web standards and if the browser doesn't support it, well then you can decide to change browsers at that point. As opposed to just hard-coding web browsers out?

    I've been a long time supporter of MS but after MS got hit with Apple-envy, everything that I liked about MS have either been abandoned, Metrofied, dumbified, crippled, fuglified, castrated or became stagnant to the point where I can't even think of a single MS technology that excites me any more. None.

    So in some way the above Amazon experience doesn't surprise me. I wonder how many people still think everything is just peachy in MS land?

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    ZippyV

    Have you tried the Win8 app?

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    TexasToast

    So why has Amazon done this to you?   It has nothing to do with Microsoft.   They chose to only distribute it on amazon cloud.   I have not seen this before on Amazon.  Everything I buy goes to all my devices which are all Microsoft.    I have an original kindle and it wont allow it to that device either so its not just a Microsoft thing.

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    spivonious

    http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2011/08/10/amazon-kindle-cloud-reader-to-support-additional-browsers-and-tablets-in-the-coming-months/

     

    Still pretty lame that they're excluding at least 40% of their visitors, especially when IE9+ supports the standards just fine.

     

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    kettch

    @spivonious: Probably part of the reason why IE11 is going to spoof the user agent of other browsers.

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    DCMonkey

    Note it leaves out the iPhone as well. Since its a game guide I assume its one of those large format books with lots of graphics. It probably would be unreadable on a phone sized display. And it wouldn't work on e-ink Kindle either.

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    Charles

    This has little to do with Microsoft's relevance... It's more about what platforms Amazon chooses to target. Given they have their own devices, it's sort of obvious that they'd target them first and foremost. Or, am I missing something?

    C

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    BitFlipper

    , Charles wrote

    This has little to do with Microsoft's relevance... It's more about what platforms Amazon chooses to target. Given they have their own devices, it's sort of obvious that they'd target them first and foremost. Or, am I missing something?

    C

    Yes, you are missing something. Windows 7 has a much larger install base that iPad, so why no Windows 7 support?

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    BitFlipper

    , spivonious wrote

    http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2011/08/10/amazon-kindle-cloud-reader-to-support-additional-browsers-and-tablets-in-the-coming-months/

     Still pretty lame that they're excluding at least 40% of their visitors, especially when IE9+ supports the standards just fine.

     

    That article was written on August 10 2011.

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    cbae

    , BitFlipper wrote

    *snip*

    Yes, you are missing something. Windows 7 has a much larger install base that iPad, so why no Windows 7 support?

    How many people actually read e-books using a PC? OTOH, reading books is one of the primary use cases for an iPad.

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    BitFlipper

    , cbae wrote

    *snip*

    How many people actually read e-books using a PC? OTOH, reading books is one of the primary use cases for an iPad.

    Then what is the point of the "Cloud Reader" if no-one reads books on a PC?

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    BitFlipper

    Hmmm. So I installed the Kindle Cloud Reader for Windows 8. I get this message:

    Kindle Cloud Reader is not available for this browser on Windows 8. Please download the Kindle App from the Windows Store.

    Note I'm Metro Land while I see this message. It then links to the Windows 8 app that I already installed.

    Fantastic.

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    figuerres

    , Charles wrote

    This has little to do with Microsoft's relevance... It's more about what platforms Amazon chooses to target. Given they have their own devices, it's sort of obvious that they'd target them first and foremost. Or, am I missing something?

    C

    how about this Charles:

    just as a guess I would say that about 90% to 95% of the time when I see an ad or a link for an app for the phone or tablet they have iPhone and Android links and no Microsoft app store links.

    this is not just Amazon, it's *EVERYWHERE*

    that means that for anyone who is thinking of buying a new phone and who looks at what cool apps are out there they will tend to go with Apple or Android as the impression is that no one is interested in publishing apps fro the new Microsoft platforms.

    that might not be totally correct but it's the impression that is out there.

    two brands have the market / mind share. 

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    Duncanma

    , DCMonkey wrote

    Note it leaves out the iPhone as well. Since its a game guide I assume its one of those large format books with lots of graphics. It probably would be unreadable on a phone sized display. And it wouldn't work on e-ink Kindle either.

     

    Yep, that is what is happening here... I have seen graphic novels that have the same set of device support. I believe they are using an advanced document format and support for that format is not available across all their devices (and may never be supported on the e-ink devices)

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    Charles

    @figuerres: We're in third place... Is that the point of this thread?

    C

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    figuerres

    , Charles wrote

    @figuerres: We're in third place... Is that the point of this thread?

    C

    almost, it that the "third place" spot is say 10% of the market and that is not 10% Microsoft it's then sliced up between all the others that are in 3rd place.

    so really is more like  10th place to use the 1,2,3 place thing.

    on the bright side Microsoft is not quitting so there is a hope that one day we might see the market look more like:

    30% Apple apps

    30% Android apps

    30% Microsoft apps

    5% (all Others total)

    that would be a much nicer 3rd place to be in.

    as opposed to

    45% Apple

    45% Android

    5% Microsoft

    5% all others

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    I thought Microsoft's WP/W8/WinRT/HTML5/Javascript strategy was concocted to keep Windows in the race for getting both developer and consumer eyeballs. Aside from the great start in sales of W8 tablets it doesn't seem like the tide of applications have stopped shifting away from Windows. Seems to me quite some time ago I was concerned that Microsoft's strategy was too little too late. If they don't turn this application issue around I fear that tablet sales will plateau and even if they get W8/WPH8 to sync up that won't be enough to save the franchise (again too late). I sure hope folks like the Office team and the like aren't betting the farm (i.e. purposely holding back releases on other OS's) solely to give W8 an artificial advantage. If they do then the failure of the Windows franchise may take them down as well. And this of course is all IMO...

    If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
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    Bass

    Let the hate out young padawan. We shall begin your training in a fortnight.

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