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Msft makes an unofficial WP YouTube app, Google says in your dreams

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    fanbaby

    Mary Jo's take:

    http://www.zdnet.com/google-to-microsoft-blocking-ads-with-windows-phone-youtube-app-is-a-no-no-7000015457/

    Love the angry comments from WP fans, talk about fanboys...

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    GoddersUK

    I don't doubt that Microsoft did this deliberately. People won't miss what they haven't had, but what they've had and had taken away from them, that's a different matter. Microsoft are using their customers to apply pressure to Google. And, quite honestly, Google are at fault here - it's no secret they've been blocking any release of a decent YouTube app for WP (written either by themselves or by Microsoft). Microsoft respond by releasing one with features that act as sticking two fingers up at Google (knowing that Google will block it). They're trying to force a "compromise" to what they wanted in the first place. And, as a WP user, I wish them every success. (Google can save face by "forcing" Microsoft to remove these features while appeasing the angry mobs by allowing MS to release a YouTube app for WP.)

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    evildictait​or

    Looks like yet another fight between Google and Microsoft where the only people that win are the lawyers and the customers only lose.

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    contextfree`

    Dammit Google, stop babbling to me about things I don't care about while I'm trying to have a pleasant dream about flying to Mars on a hippogriff.

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    PaoloM

    I wonder if Google will issue a takedown notice to http://m.youtube.com ...

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    fanbaby

    This reminds me of the Silverlight saga in the following sense:

    SL fans were busy FUDing the entire world including Microsoft instead of just pleading with Microsoft to truly open dotnet/Silverlight.

    Its the same here. Instead of pleading with Microsoft to stop suing linux/android, which i have a feeling will solve this issue, WP users are busy tarnishing Google. Good luck with that.

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    MasterPi

    Lol....baited.

     "YouTube is consistently one of the top apps downloaded by smartphone users on all platforms, but Google has refused to work with us to develop an app on par with other platforms. Since we updated the YouTube app to ensure our mutual customers a similar YouTube experience, ratings and feedback have been overwhelmingly positive.  We'd be more than happy to include advertising but need Google to provide us access to the necessary APIs. In light of Larry Page's comments today calling for more interoperability and less negativity, we look forward to solving this matter together for our mutual customers"

    EDIT: Updated with actual quote from MJF's article.

    EDIT 2: From Verge's comment section...

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    cbae

    @fanbaby: WTF does Silverlight have to do with this? My gawd, I think you're the only person in Channel 9 who even utters the word. Seek help. Seriously.

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    cbae

    @MasterPie: That's hysterical! Well played, MS.

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    MasterPi

    @cbae: Updated my post with the full quote.

    The rumor has it that they wanted to release with a non-ad experience to show users a better youtube experience which could be compared to a crappier ad-ridden version. Take away the candy and it generates bad perception.

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    wkempf

    , fanbaby wrote

    This reminds me of the Silverlight saga in the following sense:

    SL fans were busy FUDing the entire world including Microsoft instead of just pleading with Microsoft to truly open dotnet/Silverlight.

    Its the same here. Instead of pleading with Microsoft to stop suing linux/android, which i have a feeling will solve this issue, WP users are busy tarnishing Google. Good luck with that.

    I know you're trolling, but you have to do a better job. Comparing SL to this case is apples and bicycles. Microsoft supported the Moonlight effort, and .NET has always been an open standard. So, where are the similarities?

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    evildictait​or

    , MasterPie wrote

    @cbae: Updated my post with the full quote.

    The rumor has it that they wanted to release with a non-ad experience to show users a better youtube experience which could be compared to a crappier ad-ridden version. Take away the candy and it generates bad perception.

    Microsoft couldn't give two hoots about ads or downloads of YouTube videos. This is about making a point and forcing a conversation about Google's decision to use effective monopolies on things like YouTube to push competitors such as Windows Phone out of a market that Google has a competing product in.

    Behavior like this caused Microsoft to lose anti-trust cases in the US in the 90s over Microsoft's bundling of Internet Explorer with Windows.

    What I suspect is going to happen is that Microsoft will ignore the cease and desist to force a court case on the issue in order to encourage the US government to start an anti-trust case against Google.

    This isn't about ads, or users, or downloads or YouTube. It's a big game of chess being played by lawyers, where sadly users are being treated as pawns on all sides.

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    wkempf

    , evildictait​or wrote

    *snip*

    This isn't about ads, or users, or downloads or YouTube. It's a big game of chess being played by lawyers, where sadly users are being treated as pawns on all sides.

    This is mostly accurate. The one nuance I'd point out, however, is that users are benefiting from Microsoft's manipulations, while they are being hurt by Google's. Doesn't make Microsoft an angel or savior, but it does make them smarter. Google is jeopardizing their customer base. I was a heavy Google user. I used Google products as much as I used Microsoft products. Recent actions they've taken, however, has drastically reduced how much I use Google. Within a year, I may be Google free. I've got to assume there's plenty of others like me, and if Google continues there's likely to be plenty more in the future.

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