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My boss is giving up on Silverlight (Thanks PDC 10)

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    LCARSNxG

    Microsoft, Help!

    We are in the midst of developing a large rich web app for our company based entirely on Silverlight. Silverlight is an excellent technology and everything is going well. At least, until the recent scare about Microsoft abandoning Silverlight in favor if HTML 5.

    See: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-our-strategy-with-silverlight-has-shifted/7834?tag=mantle_skin;content

    Now, he is an inch away from scrapping everything we have done and starting over with another technology. He is convinced that Silverlight won't go away immediatly but that it IS going to go away. And he doesn't want to risk writing our company's flagship product in a technology that Microsoft plans on dropping support for.

    We need a clear message from Microsoft on this issue. It seems that we aren't the only ones.

    Charles (or anyone else at Microsoft) can you provide any official insight into this issue?

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    Ray7

    Flash?

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    kettch

    @LCARSNxG: Since there's been nothing earth shatteringly official from anybody other than an offhand comment by Bob Muglia (not in charge of Silverlight?), we can only extrapolate so much. My thinking on this is that they are taking a wait and see approach for HTML5 being a viable cross platform environment. They are putting a lot of effort into it to make sure that they aren't going to get left behind (IE 6, 7, and 8).

    The answer that is relevant to you is "it depends". HTML5 is far from being ubiquitous, and probably will never be adequately consistent across all platforms. If it absolutely has to work across all browsers, on the desktop and on mobile devices, then HTML5 might work. However, that's not going to happen for several years. You also have to ask yourself if what you are doing is easier to do in HTML5, is maintainable, and extensible enought to invest in.

    Bob Muglia said it himself, Silverlight is here to stay. It is the platform for WP7, and it has a place in certain kinds of applications. Whether your application is one of those, only you can say. I personally have no qualms about keeping my stuff on Silverlight and starting new Silverlight projects. HTML is a mess, and 5 doesn't make it any better.

    I've always had a fairly low threshold of pain for the special kind of torment that HTML brings. HTML is a thing from the other side of reality that is all tentacles and eyes and snapping slavering jaws belching gobbets of putrid bile. From the depths of it's writhing black form comes a hideous wail that carries with it the full force of its anguish and hate for all that is alive. Within it's wretched and blackened mind it carries a malevolent purpose. Not content to crush, destroy and burn all in it's path, it seeks to rend it's victims and extract the very soul leaving behind a desiccated and worthless husk, filled only with an eternity of sorrow.

    At least that's what happens every time I get involved in an HTML based project. *shrug*

    #end rant

     

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    magicalclick

    Just say, that's some stupid misleading statement. Why? Because WinPh7 is using Silverlight. Might as well say, hey, we launched WinPh7 this month and it will be dead from now on.

    The HTML5 is garbage IMO, just tested those demo using my HP notebook + IE9 Preview6, the helicopter game is ugly and slow, and the water boat is broken on IE9 on my notebook, completely scewed up (desktop is ok). They can blah all they like, but, I totally don't want to visit HTML5 pages using IE9 Preview6 at this stage. It is so broken and slow, I don't care what they said at all. I may be a bit more interested if they do a better job on IE10. IMO IE9 is not a good HTML5 gaming platform at all. Pointless HW acceleration with black screen. Sure...... it is the future.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    Dr Herbie

    Don't forget that Lightswitch uses Silverlight -- so MS obviously thinks there's a lot of mileage for Silverlight yet. Lightswitch is a latest attempt by MS at 'drag-and-drop programming'  and looks like the best effort yet.

    I can see a lot of corporate use of Silverlight now it can be run either in the browser or on the desktop; that is a scenario that suits a large number of geographically distributed organisations.

    Herbie

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    TommyCarlier

    After years of Windows Forms development, we started shifting to ASP.NET for the last 2 years. We've considered using WPF and Silverlight for some projects, but wisely decided not to. Of course, I didn't expect Microsoft to reduce its plans for Silverlight, but it has once again confirmed for me that we made a good decision to go for web development. We're not really using a lot of HTML5-features, so you could say we're just using HTML(4) + CSS + JavaScript. And I don't care about the hype of "HTML5", I just want to use what's available and try to make great products. We're still using Microsoft technologies in the back-end (SQL Server, IIS, ASP.NET), but the client-side is totally independent of Microsoft.

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    Turbodad

    , magicalclick wrote

    The HTML5 is garbage IMO, just tested those demo using my HP notebook + IE9 Preview6

    Oh boy, way to make wrong conclusions.

     

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    figuerres

    , LCARSNxG wrote

    Microsoft, Help!

    We are in the midst of developing a large rich web app for our company based entirely on Silverlight. Silverlight is an excellent technology and everything is going well. At least, until the recent scare about Microsoft abandoning Silverlight in favor if HTML 5.

    See: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-our-strategy-with-silverlight-has-shifted/7834?tag=mantle_skin;content

    Now, he is an inch away from scrapping everything we have done and starting over with another technology. He is convinced that Silverlight won't go away immediatly but that it IS going to go away. And he doesn't want to risk writing our company's flagship product in a technology that Microsoft plans on dropping support for.

    We need a clear message from Microsoft on this issue. It seems that we aren't the only ones.

    Charles (or anyone else at Microsoft) can you provide any official insight into this issue?

    WOW!

    Ok folks let's start with this:

    do not make key choices based on a bunch of roumers and TABLOID PRESS style news.
    the only thing i see so far is that they have came to a point where Silverlight has at least 80% of what most developers and users need it to have.

    so they got to the first "Peak" - looking for another word but can't spell it right now - too early.

    any way ....  far from "dead" just that now they may take more time between versions and the remaining "must do features" are a shorter list and some of them are now more niche or have different techincal challenges that may not be good to do with crazy short decv cycles.

     

    Granted I am also looking to hear what's comming.... if you notice Scott and John both are talking about the upcoming "firestarter" event that is all about silverlight. so see what that says before you go jumping off any tall buildings or other drastic actions.

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    ManipUni

    I am certainly staying away from Silverlight. Microsoft has shown (and now said) that it plans to discontinue development. Plus, let's be honest, it was never popular. I can count the number of sites on one hand which use/support it.

    Plus HTML5/CSS3 is doing some very cool stuff and is more or less designed to replace Flash (and by extension Silverlight). If I write something for HTML5 today I can be reasonably assured that that investment will be worth something in 5-10 years, Silverlight might not be installed on people's computers in that time.

    Microsoft should have released Silverlight has a "free alternative to Flash" then made Windows development tools entirely free, and the framework completely open source. Problem is that Microsoft doesn't understand the nature/ecosystem of free/Open Source things (for example it doesn't accept patches, bug reports, or feedback of any kind).

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    Michael Butler

    Building any project based on what is currently the flavour of the month in Redmond is the quickest way to go insane.  Having been through the full gamut of Microsoft technology upgrades from MFC, via ATL, to Web Forms, Silverlight and ASP.NET MVC. The lesson I learned is pick the tool that best suits the job in hand and for which your development team have the skillset for. As long as you can build the end product that makes your customer happy, then you've chosen the right tool for the job.

    Read the Joel on Software article 'Fire and Motion' for more.

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    figuerres

    , Michael Butler wrote

    Building any project based on what is currently the flavour of the month in Redmond is the quickest way to go insane.  Having been through the full gamut of Microsoft technology upgrades from MFC, via ATL, to Web Forms, Silverlight and ASP.NET MVC. The lesson I learned is pick the tool that best suits the job in hand and for which your development team have the skillset for. As long as you can build the end product that makes your customer happy, then you've chosen the right tool for the job.

    Read the Joel on Software article 'Fire and Motion' for more.

     

    well said. I agree with that totally.

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    BitFlipper

    @figuerres

    The Firestarter even is only on December 2nd. That is more than a month's worth of misinformation that is going to be regurgitated on the web. I think in this case it would make sense for MS to have an official response sooner rather than later.

    There is an incredible amount of people out there that just love to take any kind of MS-related misinformation (or lack of information), and blow it out of proportion. Unfortunately MS seems to have this habit of not addressing these kinds of PR issues properly.

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    figuerres

    , BitFlipper wrote

    @figuerres

    The Firestarter even is only on December 2nd. That is more than a month's worth of misinformation that is going to be regurgitated on the web. I think in this case it would make sense for MS to have an official response sooner rather than later.

    There is an incredible amount of people out there that just love to take any kind of MS-related misinformation (or lack of information), and blow it out of proportion. Unfortunately MS seems to have this habit of not addressing these kinds of PR issues properly.

    true by and large.  I think it would be good for say Gu and or John to chime in on this...

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    Benfr

    @magicalclick:helicopter game ?? Smiley) It’s worst then I thought... when did Nintendo and MS start sharing enterprise customers?

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    Maddus Mattus

    For 99% of the applications, Silverlight is an overkill and can only be justified by: "Developer X wants to use Silverlight because it is cool.". These implentations I've seen with Silverlight are horrible, drag drop (often not working properly) where a simple button would suffice, animations and transitions that get boring after the millionth time, gradients through all kinds of visual elements wich make the text in them unreadable, etc... 

    They are still stuck in the notion that they do, just because they can.

    Look at the new Channel9. It doesnt use ajax, it only uses Silverlight for the video and it's freakin awesome!

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    ManipUni

    @Maddus Mattus:The new C9 is better. But in fairness lot's of sites use AJax extremely well, so well in fact that you rarely notice it is even an AJax site - instead it "just works." Look at ASP.net as a technology, it is AJax top to bottom, but you rarely notice because it is passively in the background.

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    jeffsand

    Here's a blog post from Bob this morning, talking about Silverlight.

    http://team.silverlight.net/announcement/pdc-and-silverlight/ 

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    blowdart

    , jeffsand wrote

    Here's a blog post from Bob this morning, talking about Silverlight.

    http://team.silverlight.net/announcement/pdc-and-silverlight/ 

     

    And one from Tim Heuer

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