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My boss is giving up on Silverlight (Thanks PDC 10)

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    Charles

    To your boss: please read Bob Muglia's perspective on this topic:

    http://team.silverlight.net/announcement/pdc-and-silverlight/

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    LCARSNxG

    Thanks a ton everyone for your responses! I am happy to report that my boss has seen Bob's response and has decided to continue with the development of our Silverlight RIA.

    It made a huge difference that Microsoft responded to squash these rumors quickly.

    Time for a happy dance! Our entire dev team loves WPF and Silverlight. The thought of having to abandon it for another (inferior) solution was dreadful indeed.

    Big Smile

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    Charles

    And to end this thread with a quote from Bob that contains little to speculate on (emphasis added for clarity):

    "Silverlight enables great client app and media experiences. It’s now installed on two-thirds of the world’s computers, and more than 600,000 developers currently build software using it. Make no mistake; we’ll continue to invest in Silverlight and enable developers to build great apps and experiences with it in the future. " -Bob Muglia

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    zack80

    @Charles: While Muglia's response might make things look little better, it doesn't explain at all his initial comment "shifiting priorities".

    That means one thing, Silverlight is no longer a priority. Of course, that doesn't sound like abandoning, however it means exactly that: it's not longer a priority.

    Hearing that for Microsoft Silverlight is no longer a priority, translates by Microsoft not investing like it has from now on, on Silverlight

    I know Silverlight won't die for the simple reason of WP7.

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    kettch

    @Andrew80: Have you read any of the articles? There have been several today from various Microsoft employees.

    The gist of all the articles is that Silverlight is a priority, and it will be around as a first class citizen of Microsoft's development platforms for a long time to come.

     

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    contextfree`

    it looks pretty simple to me

    Silverlight as part of the client platform = a priority

    Silverlight as replacement for HTML = not a priority

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    felix9

    maybe it's just because Silverlight is maturing and can be slowed down a bit while HTML5 is the new baby and need to share more love with ? or maybe, say, changed from 90:10 to 60:40 or maybe 50:50 is still a significant 'shifting' of focus/priority too, but that doesn't mean the one changed from 90 to 50 is 'dead' or 'abandoned' Devil

    to me its like this:

    Silverlight = get the most out of a relatively limited set of platforms,

    HTML5 = reach out to the widest range of platforms in the wild,

    and WPF = get EVEN MORE out of a single platform Tongue Out

    but HTML5 lacks a productive development story for now, not as productive as WPF/Silverlight at least.

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    PaoloM

    , contextfree` wrote

    it looks pretty simple to me

    Silverlight as part of the client platform = a priority

    Silverlight as replacement for HTML = not a priority

    Correct. As it always has been.

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    exoteric

    , contextfree` wrote

    it looks pretty simple to me

    Silverlight as part of the client platform = a priority

    Silverlight as replacement for HTML = not a priority

    Simplest, best explanation so far.

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    LCARSNxG

    @exoteric:

    I agree. The message I'm getting is that Microsoft is adopting two platforms for the web. This is the shift in focus. Previously, Silverlight was the only platform they had to offer.

    HTML 5 is great for cross platform and for making websites which include (limited) rich interactivity. HTML 5 raises the baseline of what the web is capable of. Its kind of a Tier 1 for the web.

    Silverlight is Tier 2 for the web. It provides a premium experience for LOB/RIA, Media, and WP7 applications. Silverlight is great for targeting specific supported devices.

    I can understand that people might be confused and think that the newest baby (HTML 5) is going to replace Silverlight. For me, recent comments from Microsoft employees have clearly explained this is not the case. My favorite comment is from Brian Goldfarb. I think he does a good job of sumarizing Microsoft's intended message:

    "Silverlight is definitely alive and well and goes far beyond just WP7. I think that is pretty clear from Bob's post, but I'll reiterate it again. Silverlight will continue to be invested in across the board. It is the way to build Apps for Windows Phone 7, but it is also and will continue to be the best solution for premium media experiences and business applications both inside and outside the browser on Windows and the Mac. The key thing that has been clarified, is that we see HTML as the technolgy that gets you *everywhere*. In fact, for the broadest reach today the solution you should use is HTML4. But if want a richer, more tailored experience, on the devices and areas we support (and we are investing in this with Windows Embedded, Automotive, Desktop, Phone, and more in the future) both in and out of the browser than Silverlight was and continues to be your best solution.

    Hope this helps!

    -Brian Goldfarb (@bgoldy, bgold@microsoft.com)
    Director, Developer Platforms
    Microsoft"

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    Bass

    I don't think most people want to make the same mistake they did when they invested in ActiveX.

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    magicalclick

    , Turbodad wrote

    *snip*

    Oh boy, way to make wrong conclusions.

    Sorry, I ment to say, IE9 Preview6 Sucks at HTML5 demos from their official sites using my HP laptop.

    And to TP, tell your boss to expect horrifying stuff like I said, black screen for the boat demo on HP laptop ruing IE9 Preview6 and expect this persist on RTM and wide range of potentially incompatible laptops. Should the customer guychange laptop or use other browser if your appliaction experieced the similar boat demo black screen?

    IMO, keep HTML as minimal as a "document", which is has been designed as it is. Every time I want something that HTML doesn't do, their answer is always the same, HTML is a document. Whever you want it interactive or not, it is still a document. And the DOM model is always weak because it is not supposed to be more than just a document.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    kettch

    @LCARSNxG: Soma weighs in on the discussion.

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    Ray7

    , Bass wrote

    I don't think most people want to make the same mistake they did when they invested in ActiveX.

     

    Do you mean the ActiveX that has been supported for almost two decades across the full range of Microsoft products and a countless number of third party applications (both development tools and end user products), is the foundation of a huge number of browser plugins as well as a range of other Microsoft technologies such as ADO?

    Or do you mean some other ActiveX?

    If your aim was to provide an example of Microsoft abandoning a technology when the going got tough then I think you picked the worst possible one – and God knows there are plenty of better ones to choose from.

     

     

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    Maddus Mattus

    If the Silverlight team is clever, they will compile their framework into javascript and build on top of the canvas object.

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    androidi

    I have to agree with the commenters in the various blogs, while I'm in no way invested in SL, if I would be, the responses/clarifications so far don't really negate anything. And since everyone had their word already, a proper response/clarification would have to really stand out perhaps stating things more strongly than what would seem necessary.

    As to what's there to negate/clarify? Well just read those comments those responses received and there's a lot. I don't think this is that big deal but convincing those who do think it is could be hard now.

     

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    fanbaby

    , magicalclick wrote

    *snip*

    IMO, keep HTML as minimal as a "document", which is has been designed as it is. Every time I want something that HTML doesn't do, their answer is always the same, HTML is a document. Whever you want it interactive or not, it is still a document. And the DOM model is always weak because it is not supposed to be more than just a document.

    HUH? Tell that to Google (docs, gmail), Facebook, Yahoomail, Hotmail, Microsoft Office web.

    Granted, you might argue that a small shop doesn't have the resources of these companies. On the other hand, I wouldn't want to be your customer if you ignore what is going on right now in the web, and you keep pushing SL. It seems you are not learning the so called "complicated" web stack because it's too hard.

    It seems SL fans are dissing JavaScript/HTML4/CSS (not even 5) in an attempt to win hearts to SL. They still hope the world will come beating: "Yea, you're right. The (open) web is * for apps, we'll hire you to do our next $5M project in SL." The only prob is it's not happening. So please stop. Dissing JS or the web-stack just say something about your abilities.

    Check out other technologies. Hear Douglas Crockford talk about JS. Google opened most of their web tools, look into those: GWT (yea, Java...spooky), closure lib, svgweb, many more....

    BTW, the rhetoric against HTML/CSS/JS is just getting loader as SL fans are getting desperate. It started with "JS is harder then SL", then "it's POS", then "I'll rather kill myself before developing with that". Sorry for not bringing references. It should be a good read.

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    PaoloM

    [citation needed]

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