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    wastingtime​withforums

    I know I've been nominated as one of the elite naggers here, and I don't want to climb that ladder to even heigher heights.. but may I ask why this thread has been locked?

    http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Sinofsky-The-more-crapware-the-better?page=4

    Apart from pointing out that Microsoft's own PR contradicts Sinofsky, what was the problem?

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    Maddus Mattus

    I think the discussion went down the rathole,..

    Best not to ponder to much about it and search for new interesting things to debate about,..

    I'm sure it's nothing personal.

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    CaRDiaK

    Be impeccable with your word...

    Don't take things personally...

    Assume nothing...

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    Charles

    I locked it as I decided the thread exceeded it's lifetime (and usefulness). In some sense, given the way the thread started (a la calling a president at Microsoft names), it should have been locked sooner, but the topic is fair game and I decided to add a verbal caution/reminder versus locking and banning. That said, it makes much more sense to engage the Windows team on the b8 blog (where the original post lives). The Windows folks spend a lot of time reading comments there (as opposed to on C9), so you're Windows feedback is better served there...

    For C9, and all forums, respect is paramount. We encourage open, friendly, constructive discourse here - just like we always have.

    C

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , CaRDiaK wrote

    Be impeccable with your word...

    Don't take things personally...

    Assume nothing...

    Always do your best Smiley

    The Four Agreements. Great book. Life builder.

    If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
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    wastingtime​withforums

    , Charles wrote

    I locked it as I decided the thread exceeded it's lifetime (and usefulness). In some sense, given the way the thread started (a la calling a president at Microsoft names)

    You define that as name calling? You don't spend much time on the internet I guess.

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    Maddus Mattus

    @wastingtimewithforums: Not everyone has the same frame of reference.

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    mikexkearney

    I always thought C9/coffeehouse was the place for Microsofties to listen to public opinion creating the level of transparency I thought channel 9 was about? Okay the videos are great but I always wished for Microsoft developers to post in the coffeehouse, people are busy I suppose. When somebody is ranting on about Microsoft its only official defense is you Charles, I feel bad for you...you'd think the people that write the code, make the decisions would be here posting on the only official Microsoft community site?

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    Charles

    @mikexkearney: As I said, there are better places to provide feedback to specific product teams - like their official blogs... It's impossible for product team folks to monitor multiple forums and feedback channels AND ship code. Further, again, three or four pages of posts on a thread like the one referenced here is enough. The point has been made...

    C9 is about transparency and engagement. All we ask - all we've ever asked - is do so in a respectful manner in your forums on C9. If you want to turn the coffeehouse into a place to air your discontent, that's your choice. When it gets mean, nasty, insulting, disrespectful, we will lock and ban. Period.

    It's up to you. We (C9) manage the Coffeehouse. You make it what it is, Niners.

    C

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    Charles

    @wastingtimewithforums: Read your initial posts and think about it... If you called me Dr. Evil, I'd take offense. Sure, it's a silly movie character, but your intended metaphor was not silly. It was mean spirited. Don't do that here.

    C

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    wastingtime​withforums

    , Charles wrote

    It's impossible for product team folks to monitor multiple forums and feedback channels AND ship code.

    Maybe they should unifiy the feedback channels into just one forum.. just kind like the one we're on now.. hm.

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    Charles

    @wastingtimewithforums: That wouldn't work. Can you imagine the noise? This place is intended for free-form conversation about software or computing or, well, whatever (as it turns out and that's fine in the Coffeehouse). If you want to provide specific product feedback, then do so in the right place (if it exists... If not, then here and we'll FW as appropriate - which we do, by the way...).

    For specific Windows 8 feedback, the b8 blog or Windows MSDN forums are the right places. You'll get your feedback read by Windows team members who are tasked with monitoring such places.

    C

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    Dr Herbie

    , wastingtimewithforums wrote

    *snip*

    You define that as name calling? You don't spend much time on the internet I guess.

    I think that's part of the problem -- this isn't at all like Slashdot or other tech forums where there are so many accounts that everyone is effectively anonymous.  The Coffeehouse has a smaller, more tightly knit community feel to it, so when someone flames another user it has a far larger impact.

    Herbie

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    JohnAskew

    , CaRDiaK wrote

    Be impeccable with your word...

    Don't take things personally...

    Assume nothing...

    Always do your best Smiley

    Ah, I recognize this discipline! Kudos.

     

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