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New Microsoft is a Linux distro

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  • wastingtime​withforums

    Steve Jobs wannabe Sinofsky seems to turn Microsoft more and more into something that resembles a Linux distro company at the end of the 90s. We have the fanboi army, we have the compatibility-is-bad mindset, we have the ├╝ber-arrogance of the guys in charge (despite the availability of more mature products in the targeted marketplace [tablet] and the obvious problems of Win8), we have the complete disregard of the current reality and customers and instead a messianic focus on some mythical future - Metro and apps in Microsoft's case, Year Of the Linux Desktop in the case of their forebearers. Also, a healthy dose of stupid politics, at the expense of the customer, is there as well. Non-GNU software is bad! Let's make it as miserable for the customer as possible if he runs commercial software! New Microsoft: Desktop is bad! Let's make it a hassle to run the desktop and desktop software! And not to forget the complete snottiness: Windows 8 - Linux, is perfect! Everyone who says otherwise is a moron!

    The similarities are stunning.

    The old Microsoft never thought its products were perfect, and that mindset is one of the reasons they won the desktop. In the Kingdom of Sinofskiana though it's sunshine everyday and Notro is gift from the gods.

    I have to give rare kudos though: If you dared to criticize Linux in the good old times on their forums you received tons of abuse and got banned. Microsoft's Windows 8 forums on technet are full of negativy, yet they don't get deleted usually. I hope it stays that way. (though, the admins of this forum seem to have more itchy fingers)

    here's more how MS "transforms" to semi-freetardism:

    Standards-even-if-it-hurts. According to freetard orthodoxy, a fart app is more valuable than a program that could generate stock market predictions without fail, if the former is "open" and/or adheres to standards. Same bug is creeping into MS. They have raped their .NET stack (worse: annoyed their WPF/SL devs) in favour of.. HTML! In opposite to that look what the
    "real" Jobs did: Steve Jobs blasted Flash not because HTML is great, but to take out a competitor to Apple's proprietary offerings.

    Ideology over function: Metro apps would profit from chrome. The Skype app is a hassle compared to the desktop version. But, ideology says no! Notro must be chrome-free, it's what the design language says after all! That's freetard-think, just like kernel devs won't allow binary drivers/blobs, even though the customer would profit from it. But GNU says no, sorry.

    We-support-only-good-standards: One reason why Linux audio is subpar, is because just when an audio stack gets entrenched, a new one appears that has a slightly better design in theory but is completely untested and underdeveloped. Of course the community ditches the old one, implements the new one, hillarity ensues, the cycle repeats, but the ideology is served. Same thinking with MS: The mail app in Windows 8 doesn't support POP3. IMAP is supported though, because it's "better" in ways only nerds care about, even though POP3 is far more prevalent. Users are screwed, but the ideology got served. Worse, instead of not just offering ther POP3 option, THERE IS a POP option, only when you click on it the programs angrily berates you for using that shitty POP standard. It reminds me of "Spread Firefox" fanatics from 2004 "How do you dare to visit my site using the 90% market share browser!? Go away, scum!"

    GNU/Linux quest: That's minor, but the whole Metro yada reached almost FSF's Linux naming quest. Microsoft even wanted to ban apps from the store if they contained "Metro" in the name (what's if your app is about the Paris Metro?). Thankfully this has been averted.

    There are more examples, but that's it for now. Since mid 2011 MS seems to transform into a bad Linux distro. And they deserve to be criticized for that.

  • blowdart

    You know you're free to leave if this causes you so much stress.

  • wastingtime​withforums

    , blowdart wrote

    You know you're free to leave if this causes you so much stress.

    Wasting time with forums actually helps me to relax.

  • wkempf

    Trolling is obviously not what you're good at.

  • Bass

    I'd remind you that a Linux distro called Android is currently dominating in the sector of the computer market that is actually growing. I guess the "freetards" at Google don't know what they are doing either. And Apple is a strong supporter of open web and graphics standards and early adopter of HTML5. If anyone, Microsoft's fear of open standards and open source left them dragging their feet while the rest of the industry eclipsed them. Just like they are currently doing with WebGL.

  • wastingtime​withforums

    , Bass wrote

    I'd remind you that a Linux distro called Android is currently dominating in the sector of the computer market that is actually growing. I guess the "freetards" at Google don't know what they are doing either.

    Indeed. the iThingies are far more profitable for Apple than Android is for Google (no wonder, Android is primarily just an vehicle for them to serve ads). A third party, Samsung (and pretty much only Samsung) gets the big bucks from the system. If Google could change positions with Apple, they would.

    I also said 90s distro. And Android is not really a "Linux distro" in the classical sense (it's also completely GNU-free and uses the apache license). That changes the usual dynamic and makes the bearded one hates it.

    If I am refering to "freetards" I mean almost exclusively the GNU/FSF kind.

    , Bass wrote

    And Apple is a strong supporter of open standards and earlier adopter of HTML5

    Don't be kidding. One reason Apple dishonors Flash is that they fully well know that HTML 5 itself cannot compete with their offerings. One more leverage to go IOS-native. Smart move.

    Here are more open standards:

    http://my.opera.com/haavard/blog/2011/12/09/apple-w3c

  • magicalclick

    @wastingtimewithforums:

    Get a Hotmail account man.....

    Ok, as for POP3, since it is an APP, you can update it maybe like 3 months later or shorter. It is not really part of the OS, thus, potentially EU can sue MS again for forced bundling of APPs.

    Oh, stop using Metro Mail, it sux for now anyway, why even bother. Get Windows Live Mail instead. Full screen Mail that cannot convert an email to event is just plain dumb. On desktop, legacy Outlook style is not as intuitive as Live Mail, but, it is still manageable. But, full screen outlook style copy-paste-email-to-event is plain silly.

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    As for your concern about Win8. Just install all the desktop apps and forget about Metro. Until Metro can run in desktop-always-on-top-taskbar, Metro is not useful anyway for work anyway. So, don't even bother to use them and get on with your life and wait for Win9.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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  • blowdart

    , magicalclick wrote

     

    As for your concern about Win8. Just install all the desktop apps and forget about Metro. Until Metro can run in desktop-always-on-top-taskbar, Metro is not useful anyway for work anyway. So, don't even bother to use them and get on with your life and wait for Win9.

    Oh I dunno. I already un-pinned Onenote and switched to the metro version. Metro lync and skype work better for me than the desktop versions.

     

  • cbae

    , magicalclick wrote

    Until Metro can run in desktop-always-on-top-taskbar,

    This will never happen.

    Metro is not useful anyway for work anyway. So, don't even bother to use them and get on with your life and wait for Win9.

    This just means you refuse to try to make it useful.

    BTW, the first thing I do after installing Windows to force the taskbar to auto hide because, for the life of me, I can't imagine why anybody would want to waste screen real estate on something that I don't need to be staring at constantly. An always-on-top taskbar is a useless feature for me, so I wouldn't even bother worrying about it not being available in the Metro UI. When using a mouse, the app list on the left menu does essentially thing same thing as an auto hiding taskbar, and when using touch it's far more useful than the taskbar is in Windows 7 using a mouse.

  • MasterPi

    , cbae wrote

    BTW, the first thing I do after installing Windows to force the taskbar to auto hide because, for the life of me, I can't imagine why anybody would want to waste screen real estate on something that I don't need to be staring at constantly.

    It can be pretty useful since some apps provide notification through their icons in the taskbar.

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