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  • warren

    I believe the techie/tinkerer types among us are going to be pushed out of the Windows arena as MS seemingly, inexorably moves toward the apple model. MS, Apple, and Google will battle over the consumer market while niche needs - and perhaps not so niche - will be increasingly be met by... Open Source? Linux? Time will tell. I wonder too whether any significant user base will follow as some other platform(s) facilitate non-consumer innovation.

    What are your needs that aren't possible with Windows 8?

    Make a list and share it with us.

     

    I mean, seriously, have you noticed how much you can do from the command-line these days in Windows?  Open up a Powershell prompt (yes, Powershell..... never, ever use cmd.exe again directly -- get out of this habit for the rest of your life) and type.... oh, I don't know, let's say Get-DnsClientCache.  There, one simple command and you've learned what DNS hostnames have been looked up recently on your machine.  Could be very useful in diagnosing problems.

    If you like that and want to learn more, open an elevated Powershell prompt, type "Update-Help" and watch as the full helpfiles for all the thousands of console commands get installed on your machine.  (Only basic ones are installed by default with Windows 8)  Then you can type "help dns" and see every command available to you that works with DNS.  or "help smb" for working with SMB file shares. 

    You won't find that on Linux.

    ...... Of course, if your definition of "tinkering" doesn't go beyond wanting it to look pretty, then wait a couple more months for WindowBlinds for Windows 8 to come out and customize to your little heart's content.  Windows has never been very good at offering a wide range of UI customization, so should not be a new concern.

     

  • Lizard​Rumsfeld

    If your argument that Windows will forever have a place in business is due to powershellthen I don't what to tell you. Perplexed

     

     

  • warren

    , NitzWalsh wrote

    If your argument that Windows will forever have a place in business is due to powershellthen I don't what to tell you. Perplexed

    If you don't know what to tell me, then you don't know anything about Powershell.

    Right?

    Do you know your tools?

  • ScottWelker

    @warren: First, thanks for your thoughts.

    What are your needs that aren't possible with Windows 8? Make a list and share it with us.

    I've not asserted Windows 8 is incapable or even bad. It's the Apple'ish eco system that MS appears to desire. In manufacturing and related industries where I often work, there is a growing reluctance to continue or embrace MS products. Forced upgrades, high licensing fees, expensive tools, pushing then abandoning technologies and products, etc. is causing many to look, even move, elsewhere.

    Anecdotal I know but it is this observation that promoted my comments. But, again, my crystal ball isn't always reliable Wink

  • wastingtime​withforums

    , cbae wrote

    @ScottWelker: I don't think Microsoft actually wants an "Apple-ish" ecosystem. I think that they just want to experience the same fellation that Apple constantly gets from stock analysts and tech blog "writers"

    And they will never get that. Unless they hire a psycho to make this a reality.

  • Lizard​Rumsfeld

    , warren wrote

    *snip*

    If you don't know what to tell me, then you don't know anything about Powershell.

    Right?

    Do you know your tools?

    I know all about Powershell and use it routinely.  I still fail to see what in the hell it has to due with Windows being entrenched in business.  As an admin it helps me greatly (and well, required since MS exposes less and less critical server management features in GUI's these days), but it means dick-all to the end user.  Was Windows flailing about in the enterprise before it existed?  If a powerful scripting language/command shell was paramount to being entrenched in business, then why the hell did MS ever get a toehold at all when cmd.exe was absolutely pathetic compared to what was offered in the Unix world?

    Windows will continue to survive in the enterprise if it produces platforms that work exceedingly well together and have solid interfaces designed for their form factor at reasonable prices.  While it's hardly the dire situation it is with the consumer market, MS's business position is under threat like it hasn't been for the past decade.  The prevalence of tablets and phones that run software not produced by Microsoft is primarily the reason for this, when people spend a good portion of their digital lives on non MS platforms it can, and in same cases already has, start a cascade effect.  The mantra of "Good Enough" helped MS greatly in the preceding years, it may end up hurting them now.  There are still many arguments to make for going with Microsoft in your business, but if  I was in a meeting and management wanted to go to Google Docs for a good potion of the company, I would rightfully be laughed out of the room if I responded with "But..but...POWERSHELL!".

    I mean for pete's sake, I've heard some ardant MS apologists since Win8 came out like never before (really, Microsoft fans can no longer smirk at Apple zealots IMO), but stating MS is A-OK in business going forward becauuse of powershell is a new angle of delusion.

  • evildictait​or

    , NitzWalsh wrote

    if  I was in a meeting and management wanted to go to Google Docs for a good potion of the company, I would rightfully be laughed out of the room ...

    If you were in a meeting where your executives thought that putting all of your company's most prized documents and private information on computers not only not owned by your company, but also actively scanned by that company to advertise to you, instead of forking out trivial sums of money for an Office licence, then you should probably not only leave the meeting, but also tender your resignation and then bet strongly on their company collapsing in the short to medium term.

  • wastingtime​withforums

    , evildictait​or wrote

    *snip*

    If you were in a meeting where your executives thought that putting all of your company's most prized documents and private information on computers not only not owned by your company..

    Unlike MS, who have hiked up their prices to encourage movement to Office 365. But of course, Office 365 is a completely different thing..

  • elmer

    , wastingtime​withforums wrote

    *snip*

    Unlike MS, who have hiked up their prices to encourage movement to Office 365. But of course, Office 365 is a completely different thing..

    Not only but also... quite a number of CTO's have apparently NOT been laughed out of the meeting, and have indeed implemented Google Apps as a company standard.

    http://www.google.com/enterprise/apps/business/customers.html

  • wastingtime​withforums

    , elmer wrote

    *snip*

    Not only but also... quite a number of CTO's have apparently NOT been laughed out of the meeting, and have indeed implemented Google Apps as a company standard.

    http://www.google.com/enterprise/apps/business/customers.html

    I won't blame them. I think technically Office and Windows (Active Directory etc.) are better suited for the business environment, but Microsoft's amok run in the past 18 months was just phenomenal. I mean they don't even have a LOB framework story now. WinRT is a joke and limited to a single version anyways (a version that has about the same presence in biz like Ubuntu), Silverlight is dead and WPF.. lingering somewhere in the nether world? The whole situation is a complete joke. I think the mess stems from Ballmer's mad zeal at Apple. And the strategy is... to copy Apple by the letter! How's that gonna work? It's _way_ beyond rational anymore.

    MS need to accept that you cannot out-Gucci Gucci. Microsoft tries just that with their outrageous Surface prices. Their strategy to ape Apple is obviously doomed to fail. Microsoft is giving away all their crown jewels - the vast software library (RT), the huge existing dev/user base (all the W8 annoyance), their standing in IT departments of businesses - to chase Apple by being Apple for ..what's the target audience? Why not buy the original Gucci? What is this "Nu Microsoft" (outrageous hardware prices + short release cycles + hipster GUI) for? People who like Apple products but.. don't like the company itself!? That's pretty much the only audience I can think of that MS can target with their recent tactics. How's that a good strategy?

  • evildictait​or

    , wastingtime​withforums wrote

    But of course, Office 365 is a completely different thing..

    Where did I say that? Anyone using Office 365 is a total nutjob as well.

    Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I kind of think that putting all of your companies super-top-secret documents on computers held offsite and owned, operated and secured by a company that has no real vested interest in your company continuing to operate is a completely retarded thing to do.

    Thankfully - at least for the moment - it is entirely possible for a business to buy a version of Office where their company's data never leaves the premises. It is not possible to do the same with Google Docs.

    Google Docs may be free, but you still end up paying for your decision to put your company's data in somebody else's cloud sooner or later.

  • wastingtime​withforums

    , evildictait​or wrote

    *snip*

    Where did I say that? Anyone using Office 365 is a total nutjob as well.

    Thankfully - at least for the moment - it is entirely possible for a business to buy a version of Office where their company's data never leaves the premises. It is not possible to do the same with Google Docs.

    Hey! we finally agree on something.

  • elmer

    , evildictait​or wrote

    *snip*

    Google Docs may be free, but you still end up paying for your decision to put your company's data in somebody else's cloud sooner or later.

    Actually, I'm not sure it's even free? I thought that for business use of Google Apps, you need to pony up with about $50/user/year.

  • Ray7

    , Dr Herbie wrote

    *snip*

    I still have no idea how you switch off an iPad after using one for 20 minutes (we ended up just closing the cover and putting it away on the assumption it would sleep eventually).

    Herbie

    And that just proves my point. You switch off an iPad by closing the cover; it goes to sleep because you've closed the cover.

    On Windows8 though, I would love to hear the rationale behind putting 'Shutdown' inside 'Settings'.  Most stuff that people have lost in Windows8 can be found by just looking in that menu thingy on the right of the screen, but burying the 'Shutdown' inside a submenu there strikes me as a little bit odd.

     

     

  • Ray7

    , evildictait​or wrote

    *snip*

    Google Docs may be free, but you still end up paying for your decision to put your company's data in somebody else's cloud sooner or later.

    Indeed.

  • ramidavis

    Windows is fine OS. It is just that, to honest, its starting to lose some of that fineness. If i could go back to using a native installation of XP, I would. Unfortunately, my laptop is so new-age, that half the hardware in it does not have supporting drivers available for it to run XP... Even more pathetic, it came with Vista on it, and when i went out to buy a cheap Bluetooth USB dongle, the included driver cd was only compatible with XP and lower. Here is the real kicker; Since upgrading to Windows 7, that same Bluetooth dongle is working, without even needing the drivers from the cd.

    Unlike a fine wine, Windows seems to be getting worse with age.

    Like a fine wine, people still are willing to pay more and more for fermented stale juice in a bottle.

    I suppose that is enough ranting from me.

  • Jim Young

    , Ray7 wrote

    *snip*

    And that just proves my point. You switch off an iPad by closing the cover; it goes to sleep because you've closed the cover.

    On Windows8 though, I would love to hear the rationale behind putting 'Shutdown' inside 'Settings'.  Most stuff that people have lost in Windows8 can be found by just looking in that menu thingy on the right of the screen, but burying the 'Shutdown' inside a submenu there strikes me as a little bit odd.

    On Windows 8 I just close the cover on my Surface, which I'm typing on now, or poke the power button when using my desktop. Simple.

  • contextfree`

    Shutdown is in Settings because Settings is basically meant as the place to expose utility functions that are about the app / system itself, rather than the content that is the main purpose of the app / system. It's sort of like a Wikipedia "meta" page. That's why things like "About", "Rate and Review", "Feedback" and even "Help" (!) are also in Settings - they are about the app, they are not part of the content of the app.

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