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    LarryLarsen

    As we work on the next version of Channel 9 we have been talking about the functionality that we want in a discussion forum and whether we should build something ourselves or go to where conversations are already happening. We're thinking about using Reddit. We have the sub-Reddit /r/ch9/ setup currently and would like to get your feedback. The idea would be similar to how we use the Coffeehouse and other forums yet open to the Reddit community. I can tag users at Reddit with your Ch9 user names so those show when in /r/Ch9. Let us know what you think. 

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    davewill

    @LarryLarsen: I don't use Reddit.  Always seemed like a mess.  Having said that I checked out the link.  Then went to play around the general menu choices at the top.  Reddit is a dumpster fire.

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    swheaties

    "...or go to where conversations are already happening"

    Is that really the right question to ask? There is absolutely nothing wrong with the discussion forum except there is no one who uses it.  I think the more relevant question is  "Why is there no conversation on the Channel9 discussion forum?"
    Why don't you post a link on the reddit forum to Channel 9 - and add features to Channel9 that will build and maintain a Microsoft culture.
    The training videos are awesome please keep them coming.
    How about an index page of all the Microsoft bloggers?
    How about a developer meetup forum where developers who are working on similar technologies can meet up?  I suggested this about a month ago.
    How about regional pages for meetup groups?
    How about a job posting board for companies who want to hire Microsoft devs?     
    How about a personal profile page where you can post your .net projects
    Why not a stackoverflow-type site with awards of Microsoft products for guys who answer questions.

     

     

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    cheong


    How about an index page of all the Microsoft bloggers?

    This one...

    Microsoft maintains blog list of all her employees (whether on Microsoft Blog site or not, say Scott Hanselman's blog) on MSDN website Community section, but the list seems gone after website revamp. Wonder whether this is unintentional or simply because they cannot control blog content outside Microsoft's websites.

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    cheong

    Btw, VS2017 will hold a launch event today and tomorrow, but I've yet to see countdown here. Will there be videos regarding that?

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    Ian2

    I've always thought Reddit was a bit of a hotch potch but would give it a go ...

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    wkempf

    Just feels like giving up to me. C9 has lost most of it's sense of community, with most of the regulars gone, infrequent posts by anyone, etc. The videos and training sessions are great, but there's no attention paid by anyone at C9 to the community, AFAICT. Moving to somewhere else isn't going to fix that, and will only make things worse, since you're no longer in a familiar place and you know some people won't bother to "relocate" for various reasons. It's a bad idea.

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    SheldonS

    What kind of interaction of the community do you desire?

    It looks like most of the content is used quite a bit except the forums.  Of course I don't know how many hits you get on a forum topic compared to views of a video.  To get more action on the forums I would start trying to interact with the community before or in concert with improving the forums.  I admit, just lurking around, it seems like a lot of the same users post and comment.

    In another lifetime one of my employers allowed me to run some game servers and a site related to them outside of normal hours; of course it included a forum.  I only had a couple of interns, but we interacted with people in game and in the forums quite a bit to grow the community.  It worked, but it took constant nurturing.

    Do you have a goal or direction for the forums?

    For example, if the desire is to be more technical or supportive I think you have a lot of work cut out for you.  For those kinds of topics I usually hit Stackoverflow or the forums at ASP.NET.  I know there are a lot of smart people that use this site, and maintain it, but it isn't the first place I think of if I need help.

    Whatever you do, you want it to be easy to use, easy on the eyes, and welcoming.  You don't want some one to post something only to be jumped on or belittled by other community members.  Others will see this and not interact or just avoid that part altogether.  Or if you do want that kind of action maybe have a forum for flame wars or whatever.

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    kettch

    I don't know about some of the others, but the forum software itself has never been a barrier to me. What cooled my enthusiasm was the trolls. They were constantly starting pointless threads and crapping in all of the other threads. It made it difficult to have civilized discussions. They chased away many niners and softies who used to post quite regularly.

    I'm not too keen on the idea of migrating to another community entirely. Off-the-shelf forum software might be nice, but I really like the minimalism we have now.

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    cheong

    @kettch: IMO, the most annoying change to the forum was at the time the search no longer includes the forum. No able to search back what has been discussed effectively kills my motivation to create discussion here, as knowledge won't accumulate effectively here.

    I'd say that's the number one worst decision made to the forum software.

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    Dr Herbie

    What cooled my enthusiasm was the trolls. They were constantly starting pointless threads and crapping in all of the other threads. It made it difficult to have civilized discussions. They chased away many niners and softies who used to post quite regularly.

     

    This.

    Plus a percentage of the regulars ended up with jobs at Microsoft, which seemed to stifle their input because they didn't want to be interpreted as 'speaking for Microsoft' by the anti-MS trolls.

     

    I still lurk here, but I haven't really got much to say.

     

    Herbie

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    Bas

    What cooled my enthusiasm was the trolls. They were constantly starting pointless threads and crapping in all of the other threads. It made it difficult to have civilized discussions. They chased away many niners and softies who used to post quite regularly.

     

    Also exactly this. After a couple of years of threads and crap in other threads by DeathByVisualStudio, Bass and fanbaby I just gave up and let the trolls win. I have absolutely no desire to constantly hear the same points being raised and any new stuff immediately being shut down by the same troll brigade. The great thing about the C9 forums was the sense of community, and a handful of people have essentially made that community one I don't want to be a part of. I'm not sure how moving to Reddit, of all places, is going to fix that.

    I also rarely watch any of the videos anymore because they're pretty much all just lectures on some technology. While that's great, I simply don't have the time to set apart for that. 

    I'd suggest a better way of "fixing the forums" might be to post more interesting content, which would possibly draw the interested crowds back in and restore that community. Now that Microsoft is going through this huge opening up change, my suggestion would be to go back to the beginning, make less professionally produced videos and just send a guy/girl with a camera out there to walk in on offices and talk about what they're doing.

    Then again, maybe it's just me who isn't watching the video content anymore.

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    TheTraveler

    Everything Bas said !


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    vesuvius

    I think there are a number of issues already mentioned, but I also think the release cadence of Windows, Visual Studio, SQL and Azure to Agile has meant there really are fewer big changes in "Products" to discuss. It usually took 3 years for a new Windows Version, the same for Visual Studio so there was plenty to anticipate and try and ensure that you get features added that interested you and furthered your business. With the Sync Framework Microsoft was helping customers build their own "cloud frameworks", but since Moving to Azure that and Microsoft are pretty much a closed box, I don't think I have ever seem many threads on Azure here in the forum which is a surprise, even though it is gaining traction. I just wish there was an express version of it I could use.

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    soumow

    Hi guys, we appreciate your feedback. The ch9 team is working on new exciting features for you!

    As for the forums, we are thinking to switch the conversations to Reddit completely and will be shutting down the forums in the upcoming months.

    Keep your feedback coming! we love them!

     

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    Bas

    So it was less "we'd like to hear what you think" but more "this is what we are going to do regardless"?

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    cheong

    Once upon a time, when BBS sub-forum CSZone moves to Google Discussion Group because the main BBS system has announced the end of service, a bunch of user and I didn't move because we don't like registering for new account there. Even though it keeps the old name, and have all the old posts moved there, and by the features offer that's actually a better place to discuss than the telnet based forum, it's no longer the same forum that I used to be a part.

    Maybe I'll do the same here too.

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    cheong

    Sad to see they somehow confirms my speculation here.

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