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    swheaties

    Tolls -  I think Stackoverflow tried to address the problem (indirectly perhaps) with their "No discussion" policy.  That is an honorable attempt but completely off the mark.  I think a policy like "Discussion is welcome and encouraged however your post must add value to the topic being discussed" is more appropriate.  Perhaps that would be an effective troll deterrent here. 

    > "As for the forums, we are thinking to switch the conversations to Reddit completely and will be shutting down the forums in the upcoming months."

    So if you show a boring movie in a different theater will it be less boring?  Please help me understand that logic. 

    What could you possibly hope to accomplish except to add distance between the Microsoft brand and the people who identify with it?

    How will moving to reddit give users a reason to be passionate about Microsoft, Microsoft products, and Microsoft culture?

    How will moving to reddit help build a Microsoft community?

    As a Microsoft developer where can I go to locate and interact with other developers who share my interests?  Where can I go to find clients who might want to hire me?  As an employer, where can I go to find Microsoft developers? 

    What site on the internet best defines "the place" where the Microsoft community (non-employees) discusses Microsoft technologies and interacts with Microsoft engineers and developers?

    These are your problems you need to address them.  Instead of running away you should be working a little harder to identify the reasons we come here. 

     

     

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    bondsbw

    The discussion on this site died immediately when the new layout was adopted.

    Larger text -> More scrolling -> tl;dr

    Microsoft learned this in Windows 8.  10 is much better now.  C9 hasn't figured this out yet.  Reduce font sizes and line spacing (all spacing really) and give it a few months to see if it comes back to life.

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    bondsbw

    Consider for a moment how much space my exact comment above would have taken up on Reddit (both vertical and horizontal).  That's a good place to start.

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    vesuvius

    So it was less "we'd like to hear what you think" but more "this is what we are going to do regardless"?

    Exactly right. There have been many changes at Channel 9 with most of the original staff moving onto other roles. I bet you they had a meeting and one of the new kids on the block said "In use Reddit, why are we not using Reddit?"

    I will be closing my account, you will not see me at Reddit. If it was any good I would have joined by now.

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    davewill

    *snip*

    I will be closing my account, you will not see me at Reddit. If it was any good I would have joined by now.

    Tried to close my account yesterday (with remove all content).  Received a "oops something went wrong".

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    kettch

    @soumow: Basically this means that I won't be participating in the C9 community other than watching videos. I'm not a Reddit user. It's just not a community that has ever appealed to me.

    Maybe I'm in the minority, but I don't have accounts on any of the social networks. I prefer to participate in forums that have a specific audience and a very high signal to noise ratio. While subreddits are a thing, they still feel too much like a firehose.

    Here's my feedback:

    • Keep the forums. If you have to get some third party forum software in here. At least address some of the common concerns. Like search and trolling
    • Drive traffic. This doesn't have to be full on campaigns, but just have people call out the forums in videos. Or make mention of C9 in presentations. Stack Overflow and MSDN are for technical questions. Make C9 the place to come for discussion. Pull in Insiders, or any other group that seems to make sense.
    • Participate. I get that everybody is busy, and people are afraid of appearing to speak for their employer, but let me draw attention to C9's about page. Read it. Unless I'm sorely missing the point, C9 is about conversations between customers and customers, and between customers and Microsoft. Sure, people want to be careful about being taken as "official". However, as much as some people like to think so, working for Microsoft doesn't take away your humanity. The human side of Microsoft was what drove C9 in the early days, and it's what could keep it going.

    Damn, I'm feeling old and curmudgeonly today.

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    vesuvius

    @davewill: I probably want to start a thread and offer my valedictory there.

    There have been and still are some serious coders around here, even Satya, Scott Guthrie, Soma and Hanselman have all chimed in from time to time. I know journalists like Mary Jo Foley irked the likes of Charles Torre and blowdart up by quoting them officially from threads here, so that precluded Microsoft employees from joining in the debate. Charles used to get the Engineers involved to deal with any threads here so we once had tremendous access to Microsoft, that certainly would never have happened at Reddit, it is a pity though!

     

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    kettch

    @vesuvius: I think it's important that Charles', blowdart's, and others' contributions were not restricted to official matters. They would pop in once in a while to just chat about random topics. It was very...human.

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    cheong

    As there problem with forum software? I can see the last post is by ketch on the forum list, but not inside the post. 

    Or the reply been deleted by someone?

    EDIT: Oh I can see the paging bar now after a few refresh.

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    cheong

    Maybe I'm in the minority, but I don't have accounts on any of the social networks. I prefer to participate in forums that have a specific audience and a very high signal to noise ratio. While subreddits are a thing, they still feel too much like a firehose.

    Let me reassure you that you're not the only one. My only social network account is on LinkedIn, but that's only because I use it as job search site but not as social network site.

    I have no intention to [strike]tell[/strike]shout everyone what I did recently, and it's not like anybody cares.

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    TheTraveler

    Please do not close this forum. Are you going to remove the comment section of the videos too? Are you going to move the video section to youtube also?

    This forum can come alive again if you produce more old-ch9-style videos instead of the Marketing video this site, to an extend, has been turned into.

    What you do have to change, if you keep the forum, is too kick out people like DeathByVisualStudio, because they are the ones that ruined this place. With him gone you this little forum will come alive again.

    Please dont close it. I think nobody is going to move with you til reddit. You might aswell just forget all about a forum and video comments if you move, because you will be pretty alone on reddit.

     

     

     

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    elmer

    I think that I lost interest because... I got old.

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    Ian2

    The discussion on this site died immediately when the new layout was adopted.

    Larger text -> More scrolling -> tl;dr

    Microsoft learned this in Windows 8.  10 is much better now.  C9 hasn't figured this out yet.  Reduce font sizes and line spacing (all spacing really) and give it a few months to see if it comes back to life.

     

    Adding my +1 to this comment - the effects are almost subliminal but I believe may have had an impact in making forum visits less compelling.

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    wkempf

    Add me to the pile of people that won't move to Reddit.

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    bondsbw

     

    Adding my +1 to this comment - the effects are almost subliminal but I believe may have had an impact in making forum visits less compelling.

    You know, I just thought to zoom out.  It's amazing how much more tolerable this forum is at 80%.

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    MasterPi

    *snip*

     

    Adding my +1 to this comment - the effects are almost subliminal but I believe may have had an impact in making forum visits less compelling.

    I used to chime in more in the previous design. This design is just not readable. The posts feel very disconnected and less of a conversation.

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    MasterPi

    I think there are a number of issues already mentioned, but I also think the release cadence of Windows, Visual Studio, SQL and Azure to Agile has meant there really are fewer big changes in "Products" to discuss. It usually took 3 years for a new Windows Version, the same for Visual Studio so there was plenty to anticipate and try and ensure that you get features added that interested you and furthered your business. With the Sync Framework Microsoft was helping customers build their own "cloud frameworks", but since Moving to Azure that and Microsoft are pretty much a closed box, I don't think I have ever seem many threads on Azure here in the forum which is a surprise, even though it is gaining traction. I just wish there was an express version of it I could use.

    I think this is a large part of why in the last couple years there were fewer insightful threads (as well as fewer regulars). In the past, the next version of Windows, .NET, etc would span several threads, each maxing out at ~20 pages or so. Now, there are a lot of minor releases across several products, generating only sparse threads (and most of the regulars got tired and moved on).

    Also, I think the Charles in-office whiteboard discussions and the participation of MS employees in threads were the main attractors to this site.

     

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    Ian2

    @soumow:A couple of questions:

    Will you be keeping historical posts with the move to Reddit?

    Will there be a link to the new Reddit forum from the current Channel 9 menu - such that the forums appear to be an integral part of Channel 9 or will it simply be a link to an external site?

     

     

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