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Former Nokia Exec: Windows Phone 'a certain road to death' for Nokia

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    01001011

    @cbae:

    Nokia has largest presence in all of those places.

    Nokia did have the largest presence, but not anymore. A lot those phones are years old, or are recycled phones sent to those countries by the USA and Europe.

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    cbae

    , 01001011 wrote

    @cbae:

    *snip*

    Nokia did have the largest presence, but not anymore. A lot those phones are years old, or are recycled phones sent to those countries by the USA and Europe.

    Ignorant one, what phones do you think replaced those Nokia phones that supposedly longer exist?

    http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-IN-weekly-201202-201211

    http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-RU-weekly-201202-201211

    http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-ID-weekly-201202-201211

     

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    @cbae: Certainly not WP7. Smiley

    If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
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    cbae

    , DeathByVisualStudio wrote

    @cbae: Certainly not WP7. Smiley

    Because the current WP specs are too high for that market. The corect answer is: NO PHONES have replaced those Nokia Symbian phones.

    Nokia Symbian phones still dominate the retail channels in those markets. As I said, Tango will allow Nokia to replace those Symbian phones with WP phones as they transition away from Symbian.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , cbae wrote

    *snip*

    Because the current WP specs are too high for that market. The corect answer is: NO PHONES have replaced those Nokia Symbian phones.

    Nokia Symbian phones still dominate the retail channels in those markets. As I said, Tango will allow Nokia to replace those Symbian phones with WP phones as they transition away from Symbian.

    I think Tango is going to be a big disappointment just like the crappy low-end Android phones. The experience is bad and they don't do enough. It's kind of like saying "Now even you can get into the Windows Phone game!" only to find out that the phone is gimp. Low-end Android phones are the same. My kids have them and they hate me for it each and every day...

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    , DeathByVisualStudio wrote

    *snip*

    I think Tango is going to be a big disappointment just like the crappy low-end Android phones. The experience is bad and they don't do enough. It's kind of like saying "Now even you can get into the Windows Phone game!" only to find out that the phone is gimp. Low-end Android phones are the same. My kids have them and they hate me for it each and every day...

    you should have buy them iPhone 4S, it can never go wrong.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    cbae

    , DeathByVisualStudio wrote

    *snip*

    I think Tango is going to be a big disappointment just like the crappy low-end Android phones. The experience is bad and they don't do enough. It's kind of like saying "Now even you can get into the Windows Phone game!" only to find out that the phone is gimp. Low-end Android phones are the same. My kids have them and they hate me for it each and every day...

    There once was a time when my Moto Droid was actually bearable to use. It's not like it's gotten laggier over the years. It's just that I didn't know any better at the time. For 90% of the world, they'll never know any better, and when they compare a Tango phone to sh1tty Android phones, it will feel like they're using a high-end device.

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    ScanIAm

    , Charles wrote

    @1001011: Beer, is this you? Come on, man...

    C

    Oh, FFS, of course it's him. 

    5 years in, he's still pulling the same crap, only now, he's openly flaunting the fact that you won't do anything about it.

    If you aren't going to control his idiocy, then just turn his original account back on so new folks can quickly find out who he is by his history.

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    Maddus Mattus

    @cbae:

    , cbae wrote

    Windows Phone doesn't have the market penetration yet for any company to want to hire for a Windows Phone developer position. Most of the Windows Phone developers currently are hobbyists. And if any company specifically wants to target Windows Phone now, then it's most likely because they're already a .NET shop, which means they already have developers capable of developing for Windows Phone.

    I've written to two paid positions for WP7 development, who do iOS, Andriod and Symbian. So, thou areth wrong!

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , magicalclick wrote

    *snip*

    you should have buy them iPhone 4S, it can never go wrong.

    I wasn't suggesting the iPhone. Actually I think this market would be best served by feature phone and not some crippled high-end OS crippled to fit the low-end hardware. 

    , cbae wrote

    *snip*

    There once was a time when my Moto Droid was actually bearable to use. It's not like it's gotten laggier over the years. It's just that I didn't know any better at the time. For 90% of the world, they'll never know any better, and when they compare a Tango phone to sh1tty Android phones, it will feel like they're using a high-end device.

    You had me scared for a second; I thought you weren't going to have a bias. Wink

    And Windows never ever slows down. Ever.

    Re WP: let's see we don't do multi-core so we'll say we don't need to 'cause we're already fast & fluid - regardless of our plans to roll out W8 to the phone making it useless unless you forklift upgrade the hardware. And how's that battery life on WP? Far superior to Android? I don't hear people (nor MS Marketing) bragging about how their single-core WP's battery life is so much better than on a dual-core Android device or any Android device for that matter.

    And we'll do the same with W8 on the desktop -- make mouse + keyboard so painful that you must buy a touch device to feel even remotely productive. You'd think with moves like this Microsoft was in the hardware game. The promise from Sinofsky: We have hundreds of millions of W7 desktops ready to upgrade to W8 that will be your customers. The reality: until they get touch devices W8 will be painful to use on their old desktops. Window 8, "More clicks in every box..."

    A thousand little cuts...

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    cbae

    , DeathByVisualStudio wrote

    *snip*

    You had me scared for a second; I thought you weren't going to have a bias. Wink

    And Windows never ever slows down. Ever.

    Dude, go back and re-read what I posted. You completely missed the point. I said that my Moto Droid is NOT LAGGIER than before. It's simply as laggy as it's ever been. I just didn't know any better until I used a high-end Windows Phone. But while I was using the Droid exclusively, it seemed perfectly fine even though in reality it's a laggy POS. It will be the same for people using a low-end Tango device having moved from low-end Symbian devices. Their only basis of comparison will be low-end Symbian phones that they've already used and maybe some low-end Android devices on display along with the low-end Nokia WP Tango devices. Having firsthand experience with WP and Android on equivalent specs, I'll place my money on Tango devices feeling more "high-end".

    Re WP: let's see we don't do multi-core so we'll say we don't need to 'cause we're already fast & fluid - regardless of our plans to roll out W8 to the phone making it useless unless you forklift upgrade the hardware. And how's that battery life on WP? Far superior to Android? I don't hear people (nor MS Marketing) bragging about how their single-core WP's battery life is so much better than on a dual-core Android device or any Android device for that matter.

    Whatevs. No low-end Android devices in the markets we're talking about will have dual core anything. Your argument is irrelevant.

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    01001011

    @Maddus Mattus:

    I've written to two paid positions for WP7 development

    I couldn't help but notice that you are from the Netherlands. The craigslist examples I posted are from LA and San Francisco including Silicon Valley.

    The general pipeline for popularity is from California outwards towards the rest of the world.

    Just as light from a distant star is only seen years later here on earth on a clear night, the 2 WP7 jobs you wrote to may have been echos of 2 WP7 jobs posted in California last year.

    At this time in the nucleus of the software development world, there are no jobs for Windows Phone development. No company here will consider taking on such a futile effort. I have also not heard of any company willing to take on W8 rewrites, especially not to target mobile device screens as Microsoft is hoping for.

    I also get privileged information from Microsoft through various channels, and I have heard of no push to subsidize this on any large scale.

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    Maddus Mattus
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    01001011

    @Maddus Mattus: We'll see. That Lumia UI is ghastly!

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    Maddus Mattus

    @1001011:

    Yeah sure, everything revolves around California, sun, moon,...

    I'm sure there is a phone that suits your taste out there!

    edit;

    here ya go; http://whatsappinc.jobscore.com/job_seeker/jobs/job_posting/aZgcb2ttqr4BwSeJe4bk1X?Board=DirectEmployers&PID=532327

    Let me know how the interview goes, ok?

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    01001011

    @Maddus Mattus:

    OMFG you found one. Congratulations!

    Let me know how the interview goes, ok?

    Not in the job market. 

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    cbae

    , Maddus Mattus wrote

    @1001011:

    Yeah sure, everything revolves around California, sun, moon,...

    *snip*

    Actually, it doesn't. Everything revolves around Silicon Valley. Where Beer lives is the armpit of California technology-wise, but the only thing he knows is to ride on coattails, so he'll say "California" to include himself.

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    01001011

    @cbae: All the big brands are in LA, and they're not super tech savvy.

    Make me iPad app. That should cost about well..... 1032939829830928982 right? That will be tiny compared to our 43983984 million dollar revenue.

    Then follow up with:

    totally, without an iPad app your company is ABSOLUTELY DEAD

    $$$$$$$$$$

    LA code factories make the tech that people see.

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