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Nokia dead because it didn't innovate.

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    Ian2
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    magicalclick

    Well, it was dead until they switch to WP platform. They let MS innovates OS while they innovate camera and various hardware.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    TheJoe

    @magicalclick Nokia apps are also better.

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    Blue Ink

    I don't see traces of intoxication.. Nokia was the market leader by a mile, and yet it got crushed by the smartphone tsunami. Which is sad considering they pretty much invented the blasted thing.

    And nowadays, it's just a shell company, not exactly the bright future everybody would have predicted in - say - 2006.

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    11101110

    not exactly the bright future everybody would have predicted in - say - 2006.

    Google bought Android in 2005. A lot of people knew what Google was doing with Android and its plans in 2006 and early 2007. Microsoft was fresh off their origami failed marketing campaign.

    Microsoft had tried to do the right thing as per the market conditions but as usual, they were doing it all wrong. Don't get me wrong, if Microsoft has a competitor's product they can copy it and do it right just fine, albeit too late in today's fast paced market.

    Around that time Nokia was starting the NX00 tablet series with Maemo. They bet a lot on Maemo ( later MeeGo as a Symbian successor ), but had almost no community support and they spent nearly nothing to promote it while Google spent billions promoting Android to developers and OEMs.

    This was a case of the "it's not worth it" by a bunch of old MBAs at the mobile losers' companies while Google was being run and managed by younger developers. That's why Nokia and Microsoft lost it. They were simply out of touch and the times they did try to float products, they did so in a way that's consistent with people who are out of touch.

    When you work in a large office building or a company campus at a large software firm, it's easy to get out of touch. You work hard every day and talk to coworkers about new ideas for company projects rather than real people outside. It's good to have a work from home policy instead. It gives people real perspective while they do the same work. I think Marissa Mayer's no WFH policy is actually going to make Yahoo worse because of that for the same reasons. Google, as far as I know has always let employees be very mobile.

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    Jim Young
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    TheJoe

    @Jim Young

    India doesn't count to people who wear hoddies and walk around with fruit covered electronics.

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    Bas

    That sounds like a rather ominous warning to Apple themselves. Their last real innovation was the iPad.

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    ScanIAm

    , Bas wrote

    That sounds like a rather ominous warning to Apple themselves. Their last real innovation was the iPad.

    Their last real innovation was the Macintosh.

    Everything since has been airbrushing on existing technology.

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    SheldonS

    I just wish they would get their phones on Verizon faster.  I was all set to finally get a Windows Phone, but the ones offered at the time did not seem as good as the "free" HTC DNA I could get.

    I feel like by the time they get their phones on Verizon, the other guys have something better for the same or lower price.

    "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke
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    magicalclick

    I think he makes a good point. Apple don't and shouldn't compete with budget market. But, what he didn't explain his / Steve Jobs task, aka. innovate ahead of the industry. What this means, smart phone is heading toward saturation and there is not enough WOW factor on iPhone anymore, just as iPod is boring now. They need to reinvent untapped market to continue the WOW factor, or they die as budget manufactures catching them up.

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    Proton2

    For a company that started out making boots, it seems strange to claim Nokia didn't innovate.

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    Bas

    , ScanIAm wrote

    *snip*

    Their last real innovation was the Macintosh.

    Everything since has been airbrushing on existing technology.

    As far as technological inventions go, sure. But they've been great at grabbing existing technology and creating a package that didn't really exist before in an enticing way.

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    cbae

    How many LTE patents does Nokia own?

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    cbae

    , Bas wrote

    *snip*

    As far as technological inventions go, sure. But they've been great at grabbing existing technology and creating a package that didn't really exist before in an enticing way.

    Is that innovation or simply good packaging/marketing?

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    ScanIAm

    , Bas wrote

    *snip*

    As far as technological inventions go, sure. But they've been great at grabbing existing technology and creating a package that didn't really exist before in an enticing way.

    I don't disagree, and the idea of the reality distortion field has a bit of truth to it.  They can certainly package a product well.  I'm just kind of sick of reading articles and forum posters (not you) acting as if we were all using tin cans and string before Apple came along.

    I can appreciate the advantages of a $100K BMW while recognizing that those advantages don't make my car any less useful.  And I wouldn't think to assume that BMW invented the car.

     

     

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    evildictait​or

    , cbae wrote

    Is that innovation or simply good packaging/marketing?

    Why can't good packaging/marketing be innovative?

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    Ray7

    And you'd be right…except for the fact that Nokia is dead because it didn't innovate. 

    He pretty much hit the nail on the head. Nokia once owned the market; now they kinda don't. 

    Still, Cook should be wary of companies that have a track record of rising from the ashes and reinventing themselves. After all, he is running one that did exactly that. 

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