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Nokia report turnaround

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  • elmer
  • Erisan

    At least here in Finland the press has been quite sceptical. I didn't check the latest news but yesterday it was still unclear how many of those 4.4M Lumias were discounted old models. Symbian phones were sold surprisingly well (2.2M) considering it has been "dead" for a some time already.

    According to ComScore the market share of Microsoft in U.S has declined from 3.6% to 3.0%
    Well, those number should be take with bucket of salt and I guess the number are outdated as well (numbers includes tablets? no WP8 sales?).

    It would be interesting to know what Microsoft thinks about all these numbers. I guess Surface Phone is quite certainly be published this year..? oh, and what would that mean to Nokia ...

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  • wkempf

    Apple evidently sold 26.91 million iPhones during the same quarter. I fully believe Lumia devices are selling really well, but that well?

  • SteveRichter

    Microsoft is doing a terrible job on its phone. Who is the company evangelist for the phone OS? Where is the Anders in that realm that programmers respect and listen to?  ( Heck, who is even in charge of, speaking for the company? ) MSFT needs an OS that runs on all hand held devices. Programmers should be able to buy a $20 phone on ebay, pay a fee to download a .NET framework that runs on the phone and write C#/WPF apps for it. No $100 payment to microsoft for the privledge of being able to write a phone app. No restrictions on transfering apps from a PC to the phone.

  • BitFlipper

    MS already said WP is selling 4 to 5 times better than the same period last year.

    And Comscore measures Windows Mobile + Windows Phone so their numbers are useless until there are no more Windows Mobile devices or they break it out properly.

    Also, installed base is not a good way to measure current phone trends. Consider if everyone decided that their next phone was going to be a NextLatestAndGreatestPhone. It would still take 2 years for everyone to switch over to a NextLatestAndGreatestPhone and it would be a while before you even see any NextLatestAndGreatestPhones in the wild. That is with *everyone* switching.

    I'm not saying WP is suddenly doing really well, I'm just saying keep these things in mind before jumping to conclusions.

  • Proton2

    @BitFlipper: I bought my phone without a service, so the 2 year scenario doesn't fit to my situation.

    Is my situation unusual? Is a mobile phone service worthwhile? I rarely even use my landline phone, (parents phone actually) I probably average once every 2 or 3 months. Microsoft phoned me the other day to inquire about my Visual Studio download and usage. I won't be buying a Windows phone or Surface anytime soon as I have to spend my money on a liscence for VS pro and I have had an extremely low income for several years as I work on my research and development for some of the most complex software you can imagine.

  • BitFlipper

    @Proton2: In the big picture, what percentage of people buy smartphones off-contract? I don't know, but I would think it is a pretty low percentage. Hence while those people might be more likely to do an impulse switch, I would think the vast majority of people won't pay ETF to do impulse switches.

    And even for people that do buy off-contract, how many of them just randomly switch every few months?

    So I believe my observation that installed base lags current phone trends by a significant amount of time is valid.

  • magicalclick

    @Erisan: Nokia dominated WinPh market. I am sorry for HTC because I am Taiwanese. They have a good colorful 8X, but, Nokia gets a amazing deal with my carrier. I mean 100buck!!!! For Lumia 920 awesome night camera and glovy screen. Even adds free wireless charging plate. It is very hard to say no to such amazing deal. I am still glad HTC follow up with colorful design, even though it comes with big tradeoff, all the WinPh8 ads from MS featuring HTC phone show one message, it is colorful, and people's first impression it is a Lumia without looking at phone's logo. HTC needs to stay in colorful market if it wants to break that stereotype. as for Nokia, just looking at amount of debates on other site, I am delighted. It used to be, no one cares except WinMo fans complaining. Finally there is enough WinPh users to defend and insecured competing fans shooting flames. Finally people care.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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  • Hometoy

    Sounds like good news for Nokia!  Especially considering weren't they considered in really, really bad shape last year?  So anything positive is good news for them and everybody attached to them.

    Is it as much as Apple's? Are you crazy enough to think that it would be?

    I wonder if it would have been better if more than just the 882 were available through Verizon.  Wonder how well the Lumia's would go.

  • magicalclick

    @SteveRichter: I disagree. I like WinPh a lot despite they crippled Mango Bing Map. I like it a lot. All WinPh hare high quality and performance really well in expectations. No hidden apps to drain my battery. There is a few, but, it is easy to disable them such as play music from Music app and launch a simple game, can easily stop apps that relies on background process.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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  • warren

    Everyone I show my Lumia 920 to is genuinely impressed by it.  The screen quality, the performance, the feel of the hardware..... people also seem to be very positive towards the "simple boxes" approach as opposed to the highly stylized icons of Android and iOS.


  • fanbaby

    First, congratulations to Nokia and Microsoft for the feat, really. I take back some of the things I said about Elop. But I still think he looks like a complete &^%$#.

    Second, This isn't that surprising, I've seen it happen before. AMD and Intel about a few years ago. All Intel had was Prescott,  a overheating Pentium 32 bit single core processor while AMD had a dual core 64 bit marvel. But then Intel pressed on the gas paddle, and we all know how that turned out. [Even though AMD broke my heart multiple times, still most of my rigs are AMD]

    Anyway best luck for Microsoft, I've nothing against XAML (I still think you're a fool to use it), now if you can stop suing everyone who makes cell-phone that aren't WP.

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