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OK, Microsoft has gone crazy

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    aL_

    , PaoloM wrote

    You have to *ask*?!

    ...

    Maybe you should find a better job, where you don't have to beg and employees are not treated like swappable resources...

    where the heck do you work anyway? are they hiring? Tongue Out

    in the real world, companies dont send people on 2000 dollar conferences (a 3 day confereance no less, and excluding flight and accomodtions) willy nilly.. epecially when they are given no info about the details of the conference. (no, "its about windows" is not enough, thats like saying E3 is about digital things)

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    Michael Butler

    As the company I work for still haven't managed to upgrade past Windows XP, then I'm not going to worry too much about what tools I use for Windows 8 for quite a while. Wink

    My chief worry isn't over HTML or Javascript, more worried about C++ rearing its head again and having to remember to do a delete after a new Wink

    I'd love to go to BUILD, because learning and doing new software is what I'm in this game for. Sadly, my budget won't stretch and my employers don't do conferences anymore.

     

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    Ian2

    I funded my own trips to PDC/MIX/TechEd during my "lucrative" contracting years.  Now that I have made a life change (semi permanent house husband) it is something that I miss having to look forward to. 

    BUILD sounds interesting, hopefully the Channel 9 live support will be as excellent as ever!

    EDIT.  Wow, sorry, that was way off topic.

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    ScanIAm

    , brian.​shapiro wrote

    *snip*

    Anyway, 'legacy' implies its deprecated.

    I don't agree, that's just how the ADHD crowd interprets it.  And just because they seem to be the loudest voices right now doesn't make them right.

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    ScanIAm

    Charles:  I'm sure that Build will be awesome and all, but conference folks have got to understand that $1500-$2000 for a week (not including hotel and travel) costs as much as a new development machine (or a 1 year MSDN subscription).  Maybe it's worth it, but the agenda is a bit sparse at the moment.

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    MasterPi

    , Charles wrote

    You coming to build, Paolo? Others? Come on, Niners. Represent! Smiley
    C

     

    School calls. Oh and the expense. If you can take care of both, then I would gladly come to Build. Tongue Out

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    davewill

    A little sarcasm to add to paolo's.  enjoy  Smiley

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    Dr Herbie

    @ScanIAm:  Perhaps C9 needs another competition/vote to pay for a 9er to go. Tongue Out

    Herbie

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    Charles

    @Dr Herbie: Or some kind of  random kindness generator which selects Niners. I doubt I'd get management to buy into such an idea, BUT I will press them to do another vote of some sort (not sure we need to do another Nineys at build as we had one at MIX11....).

    Hmm...

    C

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    ScanIAm

    , Dr Herbie wrote

    @ScanIAm:  Perhaps C9 needs another competition/vote to pay for a 9er to go. Tongue Out

    Herbie

    Are you hoping that lightning will strike twice Smiley

    I've only really been to one big tech conference and while it was interesting to attend, I can safely say that it was only a good use of my employer's money because they were looking for new technology to solve a problem.

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    beerinbelgi​um

    Google I/O 2008 was $300,

    Google I/O 2009 was $325 (got a free HTC magic pre-release ROI higher than ticket price),

    Google I/O 2010 was $350, (got a free HTC EVO pre-release, and a Moto Droid - ROI higher than ticket price),

    Google I/O 2011 was $450.(got a free Samsung 10.1" Galaxy Tab pre-release, and a ChromeOS laptop RTM - ROI higher than ticket price),

    Microsoft wants $1600-$2000 a ticket with no obvious return on investment?

    Why is Microsoft sending Bizspark participants $200 off coupons to WPC and no discount for BUILD?

    WPC is only $750 - the $200 for participants

    Enter code: WPXXPXX during registration

    Apparently 12k people already signed up. And no, I am not going (why would I)

    Why the huge discount for WPC and no discount to BUILD?

    The BUILD ticket price is no way competitive with Google what so ever in any way.

     It's not even competitive with the $595 WPC price, so wtf?

    Does the Microsoft brand name merit the extra $1000+ by itself? Not for me. There's no way to tell your employer that there's an ROI on this conference.

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    Sven Groot

    Microsoft wants $1600-$2000 a ticket with no obvious return on investment?

    1. If you only to conferences for the swag, you are truly sad.
    2. MS charge that much for conferences because people will pay it. If they can sell every ticket at $300 or at $1600, why wouldn't they sell them at that price? It's called capitalism. If MS started having trouble getting people to attend these events, the price would come down. Obviously, this hasn't happened yet.

    Simply put, they charge that much because they can. They don't care that you won't be going, someone else who is willing to pay that much will.

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    spivonious

    My company is still on XP as well (and maintains a ton of existing VB6 apps with no interest in migrating to .NET), so going to PDC/BUILD doesn't make sense. The cost makes it too expensive for me to justify a personal expense. We're talking $2000 + another $1000 for flight, hotel, and food. $1000/day to watch something I could watch online for free? While it would be fun to see things in person, I just don't see the benefit.

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    cbae

    People justify the cost of conferences based on the networking opportunities. If you have no need for networking, then you're going to have a more difficult time justifying the costs.

    The type of conference also dictates the type of networking opportunities will be available. If the bulk of the attendees are hobbiest script kiddies writing free mobile apps from their parent's basement, then you might not deem the networking opportunities very valuable if you work for an enterprise.

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    beerinbelgi​um

    @Sven Groot:

    why wouldn't they sell them at that price?

    http://www.google.com/about/corporate/company/tenthings.html

    6. You can make money without doing evil.

    http://www.google.com/about/corporate/company/ux.html

    The larger Google becomes, the more essential it is to live up to our "Don't be evil" motto.

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    cbae
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    beerinbelgi​um

    @cbae:

    There were sandwiches and salad on the other side. You chose to eat the hot dogs, and now you blame Google.

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    cbae

    , beerinbelgi​um wrote

    @cbae:

    There were sandwiches and salad on the other side. You chose to eat the hot dogs, and now you blame Google.

    No, I chose not to eat the hotdogs. I blame Google for putting out cheapo, disgusting food as even an option.

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