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Once again MS does all it can to make WP fail

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  • BitFlipper

    One of the big differentiators of WP7.5 compared to the iPhone was just lost.

    Does anyone on C9 know the thought-processes behind decisions like this? Who makes these decisions? Anyone have inside info they can share?

  • DeathBy​VisualStudio

    IMO it's simple:

    XBox = SUCCESS

    WP7 = FAIL

    Why limit the XBox to the WP7 failure? I know this goes against the grain of their other direction  around moving development to the W8/WinRT/Metro lock-in but as a descision in and of itself IMO it makes sense.

    Makes me think that if the rumors of SL being ported to the XBox are true maybe Plan B for Windows is if W8/WinRT/Metro is a fail too that they can always fall back to SL everywhere. Now I like that idea -- as Plan A of course. Smiley

  • Bass

    Oh yay, this was exactly what was missing from iOS.

    Now I can customise my Xbox avatar on the go, because that is totally something I need to do on a continuous basis. Oh and communicate with my friends that don't have Facebook, Google+, Skype, a phone number, access to carrier pigeons or one of the over 9000 ways to communicate with people that doesn't involve the Xbox.

    This right here, was the killer feature of WP all along. The OS is totally doomed now.

  • CKurt

    @BitFlipper: It will give the iOS users some METRO experience, and does not include all the features the WP7 client does (searching Xbox Live content, streaming from phone to Xbox..)

    If on thing this will drive people towards like WP7 and its UI,

  • Minh

    keep your panties on ladies... WP is not going to succeed or fail based on XBox Live app on iOS OR WP

  • spivonious

    @BitFlipper: XBL was the big differentiator? I thought it was the superior platform and dev experience.

  • wsdotnet

    we must remember microsoft is a software company, but really the same day!!!!!!!! who is running the ship at micosoft????? 

  • BitFlipper

    @Bass:

    Everybody knows you are the biggest ABMer around here so forgive us if we don't care what you think.

  • BitFlipper

    , spivonious wrote

    @BitFlipper: XBL was the big differentiator? I thought it was the superior platform and dev experience.

    I said one of the big differentiators. Don't twist my words around.

  • W3bbo

    , BitFlipper wrote

    One of the big differentiators of WP7.5 compared to the iPhone was just lost.

    Does anyone on C9 know the thought-processes behind decisions like this? Who makes these decisions? Anyone have inside info they can share?

    The same reason Microsoft makes Office available for Mac. There's even an excellent first-party Messenger client for iOS too - Microsoft's objective is to maximise marketshare, not to make out little exclusives for itself. I hardly think anyone bought into WP7 because of Xbox integration. I think you'll find that the expression is "nobody cares" - gamerscore and XBL avatars are just numbers in a computer that have no bearing in real-life. They're manufactured things invented to make you think the wasted time spent getting teabagged online by foul-mouthed 13 year-old boys was somehow worthwhile.

    I was disappointed iOS 5 introduced Twitter integration - because it means that Mobile Safari (and other apps) have huge "Tweet" buttons in menus that I can't remove, despite the fact I don't have a Twitter account.

    If I get a WP7 device (wake me up when 128GB is available) I'm going to customise my home screen to have the following:

    • Date/Time
    • Upcoming Calendar Events
    • Task-list
    • Unread email, SMS, and IM
    • Nothing else.

    Because nothing else matters in a phone.

  • Bass

    @BitFlipper:

    Really, I'm more of a "lets look at the alternatives first" than "anything but Microsoft (ABM)".

    I wish you'd drop WP7 if you hate Microsoft's direction with it so much. There is a lot of good mobile stuff outside of Microsoft like Android and iOS, with much larger marketshare. There really isn't any reason to keep getting continuously upset over real or preserved faults in Microsoft strategy when it is so simple to ignore its existence.

  • Minh

    For a bit, I thought ABM = Anquique Boat Museum

  • magicalclick

    @BitFlipper:

    Your reaction to have google app from google on winphone would be the same then.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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  • Bass

    @Minh:

    An ABMer could also be a fan of the famous Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli. BitFlipper doesn't strike me as a fan of classical pianists, so that could be another interpretation.

  • cbae

    While I don't consider this is a loss of a differentiator of much significance, Microsoft does/has promoted XBL integration as one of the key features of WP. What's more disturbing is that Microsoft isn't putting all their resources into creating NEW differentiators for WP. When I see all the effort Nokia is making in promoting WP compared to Microsoft is, it really does seem like Microsoft is trying to make WP fail. Microsoft is the proverbial chicken contributing eggs for breakfast, while Nokia is the pig expected to "contribute" the bacon.

  • BitFlipper

    , magicalclick wrote

    @BitFlipper:

    Your reaction to have google app from google on winphone would be the same then.

    Actually it would be a little surprising if Google previously used that same app or feature as a way to differentiate Android over iOS or WP.

  • W3bbo

    , cbae wrote

    While I don't consider this is a loss of a differentiator of much significance, Microsoft does/has promoted XBL integration as one of the key features of WP. What's more disturbing is that Microsoft isn't putting all their resources into creating NEW differentiators for WP. When I see all the effort Nokia is making in promoting WP compared to Microsoft is, it really does seem like Microsoft is trying to make WP fail. Microsoft is the proverbial chicken contributing eggs for breakfast, while Nokia is the pig expected to "contribute" the bacon.

    Microsoft is probably reorganising internally to get everyone ready for WP's eventual move to NT. I wonder how long it'll take.

  • Duncanma

    @BitFlipper: I would point out though that what is cool on WP with Xbox Live is that the games are integrated with Xbox Live, not that we have an app that connects to your profile. That (game integration) hasn't been brought to iOS with this app, just the ability to interact with your profile/messages. That is a pretty small piece of Xbox Live compared to the integration on WP7. One of the commenters on that post said it pretty clearly.

    "They are not running XBOX Live Games, only the Hub. I understand the hesitation, but this is an extension of the profile and messaging aspects of XBOX Live, which only increases it's value as a communications platform. All good. You'll still be earning achievements on your WP7."

     

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