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Once again MS does all it can to make WP fail

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    W3bbo

    , PeterF wrote

    *snip*

     

    You must be a busy guy, to require 128GB for your Calendar Events, Task-list, email, SMS and IM and nothing else Smiley

     

    But indeed, having only 8GB on an HTC 7Pro is somewhat limiting when you have Navigon Europe installed which doesn't have the option to choose which countries you want to store.

    , CaRDiaK wrote

    *snip*

    You'll definitely need 128GB then...

    I score both of your Reading Comprehension skills with a near zero.

    I was describing my home screen - by default WP7 comes with Xbox, 'People', and Photos tiles, and usually something from the operator too. I have no interest in those things cluttering up the home-screen.

    The 128GB storage space is for my music collection.

    Y'know, back in 2001 (with my first PDA, a HP Jornada 545) all of my PIM information fit in the paltry 16MB combo RAM/storage memory - with enough space for about 5 minutes' of music left over.

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    Maddus Mattus

    @W3bbo: Ahhh,.. PDA's,..

    Those where the days,.. None of this; the touch area of a button is larger then the actual button,..

    Pixel precision was required to hit your mark, it was like darting!

    You don't actually need 128GB to store your music nowadays, it's all in the cloud with services like Spotify and Zune Passport,.. Unless your are one of them pirates!

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    PeterF

    , W3bbo wrote

    *snip**snip*

    The 128GB storage space is for my music collection.

    I stand corrected. You must be a RICH guy, to require 128GB for your music Smiley

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    AndyC

    , W3bbo wrote

    *snip**snip*

    I score both of your Reading Comprehension skills with a near zero.

    I was describing my home screen - by default WP7 comes with Xbox, 'People', and Photos tiles, and usually something from the operator too. I have no interest in those things cluttering up the home-screen.

    You've not used a WinPhone. I thought pretty much the same initially, but I started to see the direct benefits of keeping things like contacts on the home screen offers when combined with Live Tile funtionality. In fact I now have a few groups of contacts pinned to the home screen as well as 'People' and 'Me' and find it an increasingly useful way of getting at-a-glance updates on the people I care most about.

    As time has gone on I find I pin more things to the home screen than I would have expected, sometimes temporarily (Angry Birds when I first got it! Smiley ) and others more permanantly because it makes getting on with stuff easier. The more I've used it, the more convinced I've become of the benefits and the more clunky a 'traditional' grid of apps approach seems.

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    Dr Herbie

    120GB : I believe some models some with memory card expansion as an option.

    Calendar : built in, can show on home screen with up-comming day's events in the live tile. Usefully the calendar can aggregate several Outlook calendars and/or Google calendars.

    Email : out of the box.

    SMS : out of the box.

    IM : At least one free IM client in the marketplace.

    Tasks : pretty good free apps available, like this one.

     

    Looks like it's all covered.

    Herbie

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    blowdart

    , W3bbo wrote

    I have no interest in those things cluttering up the home-screen.

    Which is why they're all removable.

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    evildictait​or

    , PeterF wrote

    *snip*

    I stand corrected. You must be a RICH guy, to require 128GB for your music Smiley

    Or extremely creative, compression-averse or naughty.

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    W3bbo

    , PeterF wrote

    *snip*

    I stand corrected. You must be a RICH guy, to require 128GB for your music Smiley

    My iPhone is 64GB, (which has an actual capacity of 57.4GB). My music collection is currently 73GB in size - considering capacities double then it means I need to get a 128GB phone next if I'm to store all of my music locally.

    My 73GB of music consists of 10341 tracks (I actually have a few thousand more, bringing the total to 81GB, but they're excluded because they're "live" tracks, duplicates of album-tracks from CD singles, or generally awful songs I don't care for).

    As for the false dichotomy of assuming a person with an even moderately sized MP3 collection is either a pirate or a rich-man: you're forgetting the opportunities had by ripping CDs found around the house.

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    W3bbo

    , Dr Herbie wrote

    120GB : I believe some models some with memory card expansion as an option.

     

    Looks like it's all covered.

    I understand Windows Phone devices have a microSD slot that requires "special" cards - which still aren't available, so it looks like you're stuck with the stock capacities.

    , Maddus Mattus wrote

    You don't actually need 128GB to store your music nowadays, it's all in the cloud with services like Spotify and Zune Passport

    That assumes my phone service has near-unlimited data allowance and 100% 3G connectivity. In reality, I get 1GB a month and spotty reception. Let's also not forget that cloud music storage costs money.

    I get the impression the industry either thinks "fat client!" one year then "thin client!" the next year - whereas Apple is aiming for somewhere in the middle: the benefits of data anywhere, but with the ability to remain productive in the event of a communications blackout.

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    BitFlipper

    Actually thinking about it for a while more...

    I don't think there is a question that releasing these apps for WP's competing platforms diminishes WP's appeal. I can't for the life of me think of one single reason why doing that would make WP more attractive in any way.

    So the only logical conclusion is that they decided that selling more Xboxes is more important than selling more WPs. I guess they did the math and figured it makes more sense. With the recent changes to Xbox dashboard, it looks like they really want to take the living room. Xbox is more important than WP in the living room.

    But really, do they have to sacrifice WP sales to gain Xbox sales? At this point WP needs all the help it can get, while Xbox is selling like crazy. They sold 800,000 Xboxes on Black Friday alone.

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    cbae

    , BitFlipper wrote

    Actually thinking about it for a while more...

    I don't think there is a question that releasing these apps for WP's competing platforms diminishes WP's appeal. I can't for the life of me think of one single reason why doing that would make WP more attractive in any way.

    So the only logical conclusion is that they decided that selling more Xboxes is more important than selling more WPs. I guess they did the math and figured it makes more sense. With the recent changes to Xbox dashboard, it looks like they really want to take the living room. Xbox is more important than WP in the living room.

    But really, do they have to sacrifice WP sales to gain Xbox sales? At this point WP needs all the help it can get, while Xbox is selling like crazy. They sold 800,000 Xboxes on Black Friday alone.

    Ironically, Microsoft ran a promotion giving away Xbox 360s if you purchase a new WP device with a new contract.

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    spivonious

    At the end of the day, MS is a software company. Why wouldn't you make your software for every platform? Office on Macs, XBL on iOS, Windows on ARM.

    Maybe an iPhone user sees the Metro UI in the XBL app, sees the Metro UI on his Xbox, and then decides to continue with the Metro UI on WP7 when his iPhone contract runs out. Then he sees Windows 8 with the same Metro UI and says "hey, I love this Metro UI, I should replace my Macbook with something running Windows 8."

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    AndyC

    , BitFlipper wrote

    Actually thinking about it for a while more...

    I don't think there is a question that releasing these apps for WP's competing platforms diminishes WP's appeal. I can't for the life of me think of one single reason why doing that would make WP more attractive in any way.

    Putting the Xbox Live app on the iPhone doesn't make WP more attractive, but I don't see it making it less attractive either. There is nothing in the iPhone version that you can't already do on the xbox.com website, so all it does is make that slightly more accessible on the iPhone.

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    BitFlipper

    , spivonious wrote

    At the end of the day, MS is a software company. Why wouldn't you make your software for every platform? Office on Macs, XBL on iOS, Windows on ARM.

    Maybe an iPhone user sees the Metro UI in the XBL app, sees the Metro UI on his Xbox, and then decides to continue with the Metro UI on WP7 when his iPhone contract runs out. Then he sees Windows 8 with the same Metro UI and says "hey, I love this Metro UI, I should replace my Macbook with something running Windows 8."

    I think a more likely scenario is that someone that has an Xbox walks into AT&T and says he wants a WP. The salesperson asks why, and the customer says because he has an Xbox and heard that WP "integrates" with Xbox. The salesperson then explains that, well, iPhone also has that, so no reason to buy a WP.

    I see the above as a much more likely scenario than someone dumping their iPhone for a WP just because they used the Xbox app.

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    Bass

    You are really putting too much weight on this Xbox thing being so important.

    I think most people view video games as entertainment, not some way to show off virtual badges of how little of life they have to their friends. (Not like iOS's competing "Game Center" lacks this feature.)

    What is more important to gamers is the availability of games, and iOS is just a better gaming OS because it has more games and the games tend to be less expensive (more marketshare = better economics of scale). Plus, you can always take your games you bought with you to a new iPhone, but not to a new WP7 or Android phone.

    Ironically MSFT is struggling against the same force (the network effect) that helps keep Windows #1 on the desktop. Good luck competing with that.

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    BitFlipper

    , Bass wrote

    I think most people view video games as entertainment, not some way to show off virtual badges of how little of life they have to their friends.

    I think you are a little bit sour because Apple doesn't have anything like Xbox. Apple TV just doesn't have enough substance to compete.

    Well, there's the whole Pippin thing. How's that working out for you guys?

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    Bass

    I'm just "sour". I actually own an Xbox (with Kinect!). And I think it's really frecken cool (esp. the dance games). It may come as a surprise to you, but you can own Apple and Microsoft stuff and not explode in a contradiction of fanboy proportions.

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    BitFlipper

    , Bass wrote

    I'm just "sour". I actually own an Xbox (with Kinect!). And I think it's really frecken cool (esp. the dance games). It may come as a surprise to you, but you can own Apple and Microsoft stuff and not explode in a contraction of fanboy proportions.

    Hey man, you are the one that decided to insult other people, so calm down already, lol.

    And since you bring up the subject of fanboys, let's talk about people that still use SJ as their profile pic...

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