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Open letter to Microsoft: I'm jumping ship! ...and will no longer develop for your platform.

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    WhatDoYou​Mean

    Hello everyone,

    This is an open letter to Microsoft. I'm sure that I speak for many other developers as well. I will make it as short as possible:

    1. Desktop is now "legacy".
    2. New Visual Studio "express" forces you to only do Metro.
    3. Metro is the "future".
    4. Metro "apps" ( yeah, I puke over that word too ) MUST be distributed via "Windows marketplace". ( yeah, nice Orwellian name )
    5. After forcing you to use it, Microsoft TAKES 30% OF YOUR SALES. ( yeah, LOL )
    6. http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Windows-8-I-am-truely-worried-and-I-need-answers
    7. http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/05/no-cost-desktop-software-development-is-dead-on-windows-8/
    8. Very important point so I write it twice: Microsoft TAKES 30% OF YOUR SALES. "Your" PC is no longer "Yours". You MUST use Windows marketplace.

    The road ahead is most clear. I'm glad I did not use any of those fancy new "MVC" stuff. Remember I told you that one ALWAYS must have an EXIT PLAN? Big Smile (http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Questions-regarding-Web-pages-vs-Web-forms-vs-MVC)

    Blame the marketing department, blame Ballmer, blame Sinofsky or whatever but GREAT JOB for killing your development base. THAT is for sure.

    So Microsoft, I have been developing for your platform since the 1990s but I have had it with you.

    Your Windows 8 Metro "sexual" dance didn't do it for me, your forced 30% cut of my sales wasn't a pleasant date offer either... no reason at all to develop for your platform anymore.

    I can do my stuff in Delphi cross platform galore, I can do my stuff in Java or PHP... H*LL, I CAN DO MY STUFF IN UNITY3D... write once... run EVERYWHERE.

    Forget it, you aren't worth the headache anymore.

    You have one developer less.

    I'm jumping ship.

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    ManipUni

    Good luck with that. 

    But seriously a much better/more realistic threat would simply be to tell Microsoft that you/your company will now develop web apps exclusively instead of desktop software. 

    That's at least a "write once run everywhere" that is actually believable and cost effective in most cases. 

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    @WhatDoYouMean: Awesome post! Makes me look like a saint! Wink "Sexual dance"?!?! WOWEE! Can't beat that.

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    Proton2

    I suspect that Microsoft knows what it is doing.

    I just saw Microsoft's Smart Glass in action and I have already thought of 3 apps that I would like to create that could use that technology.

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    wastingtime​withforums

    , WhatDoYouMean wrote

    Very important point so I write it twice: Microsoft TAKES 30% OF YOUR SALES. "Your" PC is no longer "Yours". You MUST use Windows marketplace.

    Yeah, sucktopia. I am somewhat baffled why this is accepted so easily. 10% would be ok, but 30% ?  But I guess since Steve Jobs did it too, it must be carried out, sort of like God-given.

    You have also forgotten the obnoxious Win 8 fanclub. They remind me of the hardcore fans of "The Simpsons". I was a fan once, but I jumped ship past season 8/9 when it started to sink lower than the Titanic. Sometimes I still come across the fangrrls- and bois on the internet who defend every crapula they put out. The wording is quite similar to that of the Win8 lovers:

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096697/board/thread/199459853?p=3

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096697/board/thread/199459853?d=199544556&p=2#199544556

    Rule of suck: If the fantards talk about "too much negativity!" and "get used to change!", it's time to look out where the lifeboats are located.

    Though, I still think that Ballmer has enough gray matter in his huge head to turn Windows 9 around if Win 8 on desktop will make Vista look like success. It's a multi-billion dollar business after all.

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    Ray7

    , wastingtimewithforums wrote

    *snip*

    Yeah, sucktopia. I am somewhat baffled why this is accepted so easily..

     

    Perhaps it's because other third party software web outlets have been taking as much as 50% for more than a decade?

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    Ray7

    @WhatDoYouMean: So, which platform are you going to, if you don't mind me asking.

    I assume Android because the Apple stores also take 30%

    Hang on, my bad. I started typing before I finished reading your post.

    Sounds like a good plan ... 

     

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    iainsnotes

    @WhatDoYouMean: I dont get it, whats stoping you using the tools you have now, anything that runs on Win7 will also run on Win8, no one is making you use VS2012 and the desktop is still here in Win8?

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    Bas

    I'm jumping ship.

    , wastingtimewithforums wrote

    Rule of suck: If the fantards talk about "too much negativity!" and "get used to change!", it's time to look out where the lifeboats are located.

    Yet bafflingly, here you all still are.

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    Maddus Mattus

    See ya back as soon as you figure out what a PAIN developing on those other platforms really is.

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    cbae

    If you're looking for somebody to hold your hand as you jump out of the building, you're looking in the wrong place. DeathByVisualStudio has been peering over the ledge for years apparently, and even he hasn't jumped yet. Smiley

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , wastingtimewithforums wrote

    *snip*

    Rule of suck: If the fantards talk about "too much negativity!" and "get used to change!", it's time to look out where the lifeboats are located.

    On that we can agree. I think statements like that don't help the discussion but rather are used to say "it's not open for discussion" and "any idea you have to the contrary is stupid".

    , cbae wrote

    If you're looking for somebody to hold your hand as you jump out of the building, you're looking in the wrong place. DeathByVisualStudio has been peering over the ledge for years apparently, and even he hasn't jumped yet. Smiley

    I still have customers on Windows. I'm not going to shoot them because I disagree with Microsoft's direction. I suspect that won't change until they run into the wall that is W8. I do love the fact that Blue Stacks will be pre-installed on at least one of the OEMs PCs and tablets (I can't remember if it's Acer, ASUS, or Samsung). That might provide a few more options for my customers.

     

    If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
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    spivonious

    Wow, did you have this reaction when win32 came out? What about COM? MFC? How about .NET? MS releases new platforms all the time and, surprise, they encourage devs to use them over the old stuff.

    Windows 8 (32-bit) still runs programs written to target Windows 3.1. If that's not assurance, I don't know what is. It may be "legacy", but win32 desktop apps aren't going to disappear overnight.

    30% stinks, but Apple did it and was very successful, so why wouldn't other companies want to join in? You do get a trusted, widespread distribution system for that 30%.

    And your list has some duplicates; you really have two complaints.

    1. no desktop dev in FREE version of VS (all paid versions still contain it)
    2. Metro apps must be distributed in Windows Marketplace (note that for businesses on a domain, they do have a way to put internal apps in the store so that there are no release delays).

    Good luck with Delphi, PHP, and Java.

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    contextfree`

    FWIW, in-app purchases are allowed to bypass Microsoft's system in which case they don't get a cut, so you could try to structure your app so most of the money is in optional "premium" features. (but you're on your own in providing a mechanism for customers to pay for them).

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    ZippyV

    If you have a decent application Microsoft will only take 20%

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