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Other than the emulator, why does WP8 SDK require Windows 8?

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  • BitFlipper

    I understand that the WP8 emulator requires Windows 8, however I don't understand why Windows 8 is required if you plan to use a physical WP8 device. There are hacks around the web where people successfully install the WP8 SDK on Windows 7 and everything works fine in VS 2012 other than the emulator.

    What possible reason could MS have to require Windows 8 for those that don't need the emulator?

    Is it really just to force people onto Windows 8?

  • TexasToast

    , BitFlipper wrote

    Is it really just to force people onto Windows 8?

    Yes it is.   It works too.  I upgraded just so I could run the SDK.  40 bucks is not too much to ask for a sdk that comes with windows 8.

  • BitFlipper

    , TexasToast wrote

    *snip*

    Yes it is.   It works too.  I upgraded just so I could run the SDK.  40 bucks is not too much to ask for a sdk that comes with windows 8.

    To me it is not about the money. It's about forcing me to upgrade my system when I'd rather not do an upgrade right now. I have a lot of applications installed and it would take a lot of time to upgrade, especially since I prefer to do a clean install. I have a ton of music applications with dozens of paid for plugins that each have their own installer with different activation schemes. Every time I need to go through this it is a major PITA.

    I realize no-one is forcing me to use the WP8 SDK, however the fact that there is really no technical reason why Windows 8 should be required other than for emulator support really ticks me off. Not everyone is ready for a major OS upgrade.

  • dentaku

    That's one of the main reasons I'm going to install Win8 once I find one in a store (checked twice at Staples and they didn't have any left).

  • BitFlipper

    @dentaku: Aren't the Windows 8 download cheaper than the physical DVD? I was at an MS popup store and they wanted $70 for the DVD.

    Well the reason I'd prefer a clean W8 install vs an in-place upgrade is because at this point my Windows 7 system takes ~5 minutes to boot. Even though it wasn't supposed to happen, Windows 7 still gets bogged down over time. While I supposed an in-place W8 install will probably be able to improve on that a little bit, I would still prefer a clean install just to clear out all the cobwebs. However I guess I can always try an in-place upgrade and see if the results are acceptable. Worst case I can then do a clean install if things turn out bad.

    Did anyone else with a lot of stuff on their system do an in-place upgrade with good results?

  • TexasToast

    @BitFlipper:They might have their reasons for doing this.  I bet you see a new OS from Microsoft every year or year and half to make money.

  • BitFlipper

    Just ran the Upgrade Assistant: 117 apps and devices compatible, 25 have some or another issue. None of my music apps seem to have issues so I might go ahead and try the in-place upgrade.

  • magicalclick

    I still prefer the clean install. Because once I have clean install, I can install core apps and quickly do Windows7 Image Backup for cleanest restore which I do it on regular basis. I dislike the thought that some crappy legacy apps I tried out is making my system slow or even ease dropping my activities. Clean restore gives me absolute peace of mind.

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  • dentaku

    I just want to have a real DVD and I don't have a credit card to buy anything online anyway.

    I'm going to do a clean install with the upgrade DVD. I would never "upgrade" an OS but of course that means that I will have to install an old OS (not my Win7 because I still want to use that) on the drive first just so I can upgrade and wipe out the old OS.

    , BitFlipper wrote

    @dentaku: Aren't the Windows 8 download cheaper than the physical DVD? I was at an MS popup store and they wanted $70 for the DVD.

    Well the reason I'd prefer a clean W8 install vs an in-place upgrade is because at this point my Windows 7 system takes ~5 minutes to boot. Even though it wasn't supposed to happen, Windows 7 still gets bogged down over time. While I supposed an in-place W8 install will probably be able to improve on that a little bit, I would still prefer a clean install just to clear out all the cobwebs. However I guess I can always try an in-place upgrade and see if the results are acceptable. Worst case I can then do a clean install if things turn out bad.

    Did anyone else with a lot of stuff on their system do an in-place upgrade with good results?

  • Proton2

    All the computers in my house were in place upgraded ( 3 in total ). I could have did a clean install on my computer, but I have a oem type of version of office that I didn't want to lose.

    My system runs the same as far as I can tell as when I was running a clean install of the W8 preview.

  • Blue Ink

    , BitFlipper wrote

    ...

    Did anyone else with a lot of stuff on their system do an in-place upgrade with good results?

    I updated my laptop, and it went well. Minor glitch as one of the applications no longer liked my video card, but that was an application issue and installing the Nvidia drivers fixed it anyway.

    I usually prefer a clean install, but this time around it turned out that two applications I use a lot don't support Windows 8 just yet and tech support said they couldn't help me move the licenses to an unsupported OS. At that point my only other options were a dual boot, which I deeply despise, or a VM, which always feels rather clunky. So in place upgrade it was, and I'm happy I did. The fact it took considerably less than it usually takes me to reinstall and reconfigure everything prompted me to do the same on the desktop PC, also with good results.

    YMMV, of course; my boot times were nowhere close 5 minutes, so our setups may not be comparable after all.

  • BitFlipper

    OK so I did the upgrade. Took forever since I guess I have a lot of applications. So far most things seem to work fine. A few issues:

    • The installer failed 6 times to create a USB install drive. It would fail in random places. I think though this could be a hardware issue as I've seen flaky behavior from most USB drives on my system. After the 6th time I gave up and did a direct upgrade.
    • XP Mode is not supported. I relied on XP Mode to test some compatibility for applications that I develop. While Windows Pro 8 has Hyper-V, I can't enable it since my computer doesn't support SLAT (Intel DX48BT2, Core 2 Quad CPU Q9450). Bummer. I guess I can live without it since it's not that often that I still require it. A warning would have been nice though since I clearly had it set up on my system. This was is not listed anywhere in the Upgrade Assistant report.
    • I have not tested all of my music applications, but those I tested seem to work fine. One of my plugins didn't make it so I need to investigate further. Hopefully there is an updated version, or maybe a re-install will fix it.

    In general things work well and I like the slickness of Windows 8. I have to say though I'm not a fan of the new blocky look in desktop mode. I'm sure I just need time to have it grow on me, but then again I don't think I'll ever get used to the fugly VS 2012.

    Installing the WP8 SDK right now. If it all works fine I guess the upgrade would have been worth it.

  • contextfree`

    fwiw, I vastly prefer the VS2012 I use at home to the VS2010 I'm still forced to use at work, including aesthetically. in fact I kind of dread going into work lately solely because it means having to use VS2010 Crying

  • dentaku

    , BitFlipper wrote

    I'm sure I just need time to have it grow on me, but then again I don't think I'll ever get used to the fugly VS 2012.



    Have you tried this http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/366ad100-0003-4c9a-81a8-337d4e7ace05

  • BitFlipper

    Yes I have, and it helped somewhat. I just don't like the overall look though (all-caps menus, bland icons etc). I probably have to give it some more time...

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