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  • dahat

    , ScanIAm wrote

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    I know, sweetie, it's all bronco bama's fault.

    Good to have a reminder of how seriously you take such serious issues.

    , cbae wrote

    @dahat: Is the feigned outrage the only schtick you know? You should go on strike with the rest of your "producer" buddies. That'll teach the media for ignoring your feelings.

    You must be new... I do not feign anything... I am outraged that not only does the president think an ambassador being murdered by a terrorist attack is a minor thing... but that people like you are so eager to deflect... mmmm.... the desperation is delicious.

    , DeathBy​VisualStudio wrote

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    I wasn't saying the WH, DOD, etc wasn't blameless. I was underscoring the fact that this information is as non-existent on Bing as the Republican's rants were. You can turn this turd into your favorite talking points if you want. You just make the case of how insanely furiously righteous some people on the right can be... I bet your alias here used to be "Da-Tinfoil-Hat"... Wink

    By omission you did by trying to cast blame in a single discredited direction.

    Again... the desperation is delicious.

  • cbae

    , dahat wrote

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    You must be new... I do not feign anything... I am outraged that not only does the president think an ambassador being murdered by a terrorist attack is a minor thing...

    Then you seriously need to relax before you rupture an artery in your temple. There are far more egregious things in the world to be less outraged by.

    You'd be far better served by going off on your merry way doing that "producer" thing.

    but that people like you are so eager to deflect... mmmm.... the desperation is delicious.

    Desperation? Hardly. Repeating the same bullshit line over and over again doesn't make it anymore so.

  • TexasToast

    The unemployment went back up to 7.9%.   So following a trend next month  we go back over 8% again and worse from there.  This is what will be the nail in the coffin come Tuesday.   Does anyone going into the voting booth really think that current policies will improve this country?   I see alot of people who like Obama, but just think he is too idealistic and not practical enough to get this country moving.   I was so glad to leave the democratic leaning state of Washington.  They support Obama, but I counted 12 GM cars.   All Bmws, mercedes, hondas, toyotas, etc.   If you support Obama who save the auto industry by buying GM trade in your vehicle for a GM.  Make the sacrifice.  The Chevy Volt is waiting for you.    On another subject,  there is a big push for recycling and there were 3 different garbage slots for your different types of waste.   I watched with amusement on how everyone just was confused and mixed up all the items.   Nice idea but poor implementation.  

    This country needs more energy production with less regulation for companies.   This will grow manufacturing because it will be cheaper to build and distribute than anywhere else.   Romney is right about this and it will create 12 million plus jobs.   Try to fly a jet on Solar panels.  President Barack Obama will face voters with the highest unemployment rate of any incumbent since Franklin Roosevelt and slightly higher than the 7.8% when he took office in January 2009.  This country is not Europe.   Europe likes this country to be different from them.  Thats why people keep coming here.  I do not see alot of migration going the opposite direction where people are moving out of the US to other countries.  

    If this election goes Obama's way I see alot of small businesses closing and unemployment soaring above 12%.   This will cause social unrest and high crime rates.  If you are from Canada or Europe you might not want to visit here because your safety will be compromised.  Thats the democratic future. 

  • cbae

    , TexasToast wrote

    President Barack Obama will face voters with the highest unemployment rate of any incumbent since Franklin Roosevelt and slightly higher than the 7.8% when he took office in January 2009.  This country is not Europe.

    LMAO! The political blight named Dumbya that your state unleashed on the world was responsible for 750K lost jobs PER MONTH before he left office. Only somebody with the mental capacity of a chimp would think that a new president could have stopped that tsunami of lost jobs dead in its tracks on the day he sets foot in the Oval Office.

  • DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , TexasToast wrote

    I see alot of people who like Obama, but just think he is too idealistic and not practical enough to get this country moving.  

    For me Obama's approach is about building an economy that lasts -- not another bubble like the Republican's build with deregulation, corporate welfare, and a lack of investment in the future for things like education and renewables. Time and time again the Republicans dupe the impatient, small minded Americans into thinking they will provide opportunity for everyone. Instead they give breaks to their wealthy cronies and disguise it in some crumbs they provide the middle class. In the end we end up in another recession, another bailout, and more fraud that goes unpunished because the laws on the books are unenforceable. The divide between the rich and poor grows and the excuse you most commonly hear is that "everyone has the same opportunity". What a load of BS. No thanks. I'll take Obama.

    I was so glad to leave the democratic leaning state of Washington.  They support Obama, but I counted 12 GM cars.   All Bmws, mercedes, hondas, toyotas, etc.   If you support Obama who save the auto industry by buying GM trade in your vehicle for a GM.  Make the sacrifice.  The Chevy Volt is waiting for you.   

    That's funny because I can hardly get out of my neighborhood because the street is blocked with so may Chevy Tahoe's & Suburban's, Dodge Charger wagons. Ford Flex's, etc. And yes I live in Washington State.

    On another subject,  there is a big push for recycling and there were 3 different garbage slots for your different types of waste.   I watched with amusement on how everyone just was confused and mixed up all the items.   Nice idea but poor implementation.  

    Maybe you lived in neighborhood of Texan transplants. We used to have 3 bins: paper, plastic, and glass. I never saw people screw it up as broadly as you describe. Of course we're all about progress here in the Northwest (rather than being a bunch of whiners & quitters) so now we have a giant can for all recyclables except glass and a bin for the glass. My regular garbage can is dwarfed by my recycle can. I never have a problem with the regular trash can being too full and I always seem to find a way to fill the recycle.

    I'm bettering that in the next 30-50 years the Northwest will have renewables & recyclables all figured out making blowhards like you look like fools. Bye-bye big oil...

    This country needs more energy production with less regulation for companies.   This will grow manufacturing because it will be cheaper to build and distribute than anywhere else.  

    Sorry I don't want to be like China -- both in pollution and jobs where people want to kill themselves because of working conditions.

    Romney is right about this and it will create 12 million plus jobs.  

    You really need to do some research rather than accept Romney's talking points straight out of his mouth.

    "But Moody's Analytics, in an August forecast, predicts 12 million jobs will be created by 2016, no matter who is president."

    Try to fly a jet on Solar panels.  President Barack Obama will face voters with the highest unemployment rate of any incumbent since Franklin Roosevelt and slightly higher than the 7.8% when he took office in January 2009.  This country is not Europe.   Europe likes this country to be different from them.  Thats why people keep coming here.  I do not see alot of migration going the opposite direction where people are moving out of the US to other countries.  

    A solar jet? Where the hell did you pull that out of? Oh wait...

    No matter who was president this past four years they would have faced the same historic recession that Obama faced and in only four years time would be lucky to have come as far as Obama has taken us. Out of one side of their mouths Republicans say stuff like you did and out of the other side of their mouths they say stuff like "people come here for the free services and handouts". So which is it? Jobs or Handouts?

    As for Europe I'd hope we would learn from both their mistakes and their successes and not just color things as "bad" because some country in Europe does it that way. The latter is all about control -- label something in an easy to swallow hate pill and the American public will pop them like candy and as a result hand their will over to you. Seik heil!

    If this election goes Obama's way I see alot of small businesses closing and unemployment soaring above 12%.   This will cause social unrest and high crime rates.  If you are from Canada or Europe you might not want to visit here because your safety will be compromised.  Thats the democratic future. 

    This sounds a lot like the Bush era tactics he used to get re-elected for his second term. Replace "social unrest" with "terrorism" and it's the same old Republican shtick.

    No doubt the unemployment rate won't improve until the Republican lead House (and possible Senate this next term) is willing to come to the table and work out a balanced approach with the Democrats. It was clear this past term their sole mission was to oust Obama and do absolutely nothing for the economy. If they continue to let their puppet master, the Tea Party, control them we will see no progress. Maybe this term they'll actually try and pass some legislation about the economy instead of wasting time and taxpayer money trying to repeal Obamacare fully knowing such efforts were futile and nothing more than political posturing.

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  • DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , dahat wrote

    By omission you did by trying to cast blame in a single discredited direction.

    Again... the desperation is delicious.

    Following your "logic" then by omission the other party I was responding to was equally trying to cast blame in a single discredited direction. It's pretty simple Da, the other party mentioned one side of the argument and I mentioned the other. No need to get your undies in a bunch.

    BTW, Nice copy/paste job. You sound pretty desperate yourself (over and over again).

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  • brian.​shapiro

    , JohnAskew wrote

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    Regarding polarization, the two parties in the USA used to be regional, not conservative / liberal.

    I think the polarization is largely due to the alignment of the parties to the most fundamental differentiation of philosophies - conservative versus liberal.

    No one aligns %100 with either party, imho, gratefully.

    Well they were regional, but also ideological at the same time. If you're talking about pre-Civil War, Southerners were more against a powerful federal government, Northerners were more in favor of it. And it wasn't just on the slavery issue. Even far before slavery as an issue started boiling over, they were fighting about the National Bank. Southerners tended to hate the bank because they were farmers (along Jefferson's yeoman farmer idea) and thought of themselves as independent and didn't like banks controlling inflation, while Northerners liked banks because the North was industry-oriented. They had different ideologies because they had different living conditions. You had people that were more agrarian and people who were more urban.

    But even then you had Northern Whigs and Southern Whigs, and Northern Democrats and Southern Democrats, and that made politics national. There were even big third party constituencies that varied from region to region. On the eve of when the Civil War erupted the national Whig and Democrat coalitions fell apart, and that's when it became region vs. region.

    Modern conservative/liberal politics likewise has followed regional lines for a long time.

    But that isn't really the issue. The real point is that politics a long time ago was less institutional. Parties and coalitions could rise and fall. We had three party systems in the 19th century. In the 20th century we had one. When the media feeds into the perception of polarization it ends up creating it, and that just gives power to party bosses and institutional politics. 

  • brian.​shapiro

    , TexasToast wrote

    I see alot of people who like Obama, but just think he is too idealistic and not practical enough to get this country moving. 

    On policy issues, I agree with Obama on some issues and agree with Romney on others. What I've always disliked about Obama is that he came in pretending that he was more idealistic and pure than the average politician, and that he was riding in on a white horse to solve all of our problems, and he never was. He's a machine politician just like most of the other people in Washington, and just as partisan; it was a big lie just to sell his candidacy. And I think he's been an extremely divisive leader -- everything Democrats accused Bush of.

    I'm not excited about Romney as a replacement, though. As much as both Obama and Romney like to feed into this idea, it's not the Presidents job to "fix the economy" so his acumen as a business leader doesn't impress me. It's not even the President's job to write laws, much less fix the economy, that's the Congress' job.  Romney, too, like Obama, he's a machine politician, who likes to pretend he's an "outsider" because he was an insider in Boston politics, and not in D.C. politics. What's the difference?

  • TexasToast

    @DeathByVisualStudio:

    "For me Obama's approach is about building an economy that lasts -- not another bubble like the Republican's build with deregulation, corporate welfare, and a lack of investment in the future for things like education and renewables.

    Hey I like that someone can be idealistic like you.     Have you ever owned and run a business?   Try to put up a building and deal with local government regulations on top of all the other crap from the feds for hiring etc.   We need deregulation badly before it chokes this country to death.   Obama is hiring more regulators and making more government to kill private industry jobs.  Thats not a long term approach for me. 

     

  • cbae

    , TexasToast wrote

    @DeathByVisualStudio:

    "For me Obama's approach is about building an economy that lasts -- not another bubble like the Republican's build with deregulation, corporate welfare, and a lack of investment in the future for things like education and renewables.

    Hey I like that someone can be idealistic like you.     Have you ever owned and run a business?   Try to put up a building and deal with local government regulations on top of all the other crap from the feds for hiring etc.   We need deregulation badly before it chokes this country to death.   Obama is hiring more regulators and making more government to kill private industry jobs.  Thats not a long term approach for me. 

    There are countless number business that are very successful under the current regulatory conditions. If you're a whiny little b1tch about regulations being the cause of your business being a failure, you don't have what it takes to be in business at all. Shut down your business and form yourself a knitting club. The business world has no place for you.

  • DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , TexasToast wrote

    @DeathByVisualStudio:

    "For me Obama's approach is about building an economy that lasts -- not another bubble like the Republican's build with deregulation, corporate welfare, and a lack of investment in the future for things like education and renewables.

    Hey I like that someone can be idealistic like you.     Have you ever owned and run a business?   Try to put up a building and deal with local government regulations on top of all the other crap from the feds for hiring etc.   We need deregulation badly before it chokes this country to death.   Obama is hiring more regulators and making more government to kill private industry jobs.  Thats not a long term approach for me. 

    That's funny because I thought the recession was caused in part by deregulation. Yeah that's what we need, less regulation... Perplexed

    As long as businesses have to pay a dime in taxes or be held accountable to a single regulation they will complain. My boss is a fantastic person to work for and is very kind and generous person. He's a part owner in the company I work for. He just built a swanky new house in a upscale part of town, bought a hopped up $60K Dodge truck, paid a boatload of money for interior decorators to design and decorate our main conference room and entryway, and is paying for his two kids' college tuition. Our company has less than 80 employees so it's not huge. And yes he complains about regulations and taxes. It's funny how they don't seem to be killing his income or the health of our company.

    And corporate profits are at a 30 year all-time high. Take a look at the first chart of this article from the Motley Fool. The article actually voices concerns the idea that profits have peeked -- there's no room left for growth. With that said I think I'd long over due to change the game.

    So while I don't own a business I'm certainly not going to take a business owner's word for it (or a politician's) that taxes and over-regulation is killing business. Surely ever system isn't perfect and could use some housecleaning but this idea that American business are over-regulated is just another Republican talking point.

    BTW, Nice touch with the bold. It's like Romney in the last debate; "I'm going to do exactly what Obama did but much better -- because I said so." Reminds me of another "I'm the Decider"...

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  • brian.​shapiro

    , DeathBy​VisualStudio wrote

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    That's funny because I thought the recession was caused in part by deregulation. Yeah that's what we need, less regulation... Perplexed

    It was caused in part by deregulation (less rules for banks), and in part by regulations that existed (pressure on banks to do subprime loans). That's what allows both sides to blame the other. If only we didn't deregulate !  If only we didn't have those regulations !

    Then, the whole thing was made worse than it was by politics, and politicians on both sides with doom and gloom rhetoric saying the world was coming to an end, and they needed our votes to prevent it. (Obama played a role in that. Romney is doing the same thing. Credit to McCain for not doing it).

  • TexasToast

    @DeathByVisualStudio: Well if the company is at 80 employees then watch it go to 50.(the magic number for obamacare)   Just think how much more he could pay you if it did not go for taxes.  I am sure he would not mind paying more taxes if it was not wasted.   Corporate profits are only high because they are not hiring or investing.

    As far as deregulation and it causing the recession,  I wish cbae could get that through his head and stop blaming Bush for the downturn.    It was deregulation, however with help from Fannie and Freddie.   If the government was not involved the downturn would not have happened because nobody would be backing the loans.   You will see this replay when the education loan crisis comes and nobody has the money to pay back the government.   Government involvement is what causes problems like rising tuition,  jobs going overseas,  gas over 3 dollars a gallon, drug wars, and poverty.  When the government is doing more and growing you eventually end up with socialism.   Do you want bus drivers to be paid the same as doctors?   People who work harder, take risks, deserve their fruits and should not have the government trying to play robin hood.  Seems like taxing the rich is resonating with alot of people because of class envy and will be the major reason for Obama to get re-elected if he wins Tuesday.

  • cbae

    @TexasToast: blah, blah, blah, government, blah, blah, blah, regulations, blah, blah, blah, socialism. Do you and Maddus alternate shifts?

  • cbae

    , brian.​shapiro wrote

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    It was caused in part by deregulation (less rules for banks), and in part by regulations that existed (pressure on banks to do subprime loans).

    This fallacy has been debunked so many * times, it's getting tiresome. The only pressure applied to banks was pressure from their own greed. They wanted in on the MBS action, so they created their own CDOs from loans originated by non-banks like Countrywide. As entities like Countrywide are not regulated as banks, they weren't compelled by any law to originate loans from low-income homeowners, if that's this "pressure" that you're referring to. In fact, these loans were way more risky than the FHA loans that the GSEs originated and securitized,

    However, around the time the * hit the fan, the GSEs did start lowering their origination standards--not because of some government mandate, but because they wanted to regain market share of the MBS market that they lost to the investment banks creating CDOs from portfolios of subprime loans. Again, greed is solely responsible. You have to remember that GSEs are NOT some sort of government agencies. They are true private sector companies that were traded on the NYSE.

  • DeathBy​VisualStudio

    @TexasToast: I bet your fellow Texans love you for providing the substance for the negative stereotyping they get. Nothing like a bunch of ignorant fear mongering cowboys. Oh dear god! It's socialism again!  They're going to kill jobs and take away our pay and benefits!

    Pretty sad dude...

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  • TexasToast

    @DeathByVisualStudio: Your sad and you have come down to name calling.  I guess you need that education money but it will not improve on born stupidity.  Good luck in your next job working stiff. Your a big whiner about Microsoft too.  Why dont you start your own company and join us in the republican party.  Oh thats right,  born stupid.  Hopefully you can get some food stamps for a while or maybe you can eat some recycled food when your downsizing occurs.   Texas is just fine and understands what this country is all about but you do not.  Come down here and tell me some of your stereotyped names Yankee boy.

    @cbae: Again, greed is solely responsible not Bush.  You said it now go away to your basement and play some Xbox.    Yes now we have stupid government greed and it is getting worse.   I will do fine either way but I worry about how people have become brain washed in believing a government can fix education, energy, and greed.  It starts with all the teachers belonging to the democratic party and filling young minds with crap.

  • cbae

    43 minutes ago, TexasToast wrote

    @DeathByVisualStudio: Your sad and you have come down to name calling.

    *snip*

    You're clearly a product of Don McLeroy's Texas educational system.


    I guess you need that education money but it will not improve on born stupidity.

    *snip*

    And your posts show the sophistication of an offensive tackle engorging himself at the Longhorns training table.

    @cbae: Again, greed is solely responsible not Bush. You said it now go away to your basement and play some Xbox. *snip*

    Nice extrapolation. I said greed is solely responsible for the banks' desire to get into subprime loans. This does not acquit Dumbya. He's responsible for fomenting a climate of hypergreed with his economic policy, and another Texas imbecile is responsible for dismantling Glass-Steagall.

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