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    Ian2
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    Minh

    Wow! now we know why he's been so quiet

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    kitron

    Maybe thats a good thing.  I don't know but I didn't hear from the guy much since he was hired

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    JoshRoss

    As much as this pains me to say it; yawn. I'm sure that he has done some innovative work in the last few years, but his position was largely symbolic, to help fill in the hole left from BillG's departure.

    Three screens and a cloud might be a catchy tagline, if we could wind the clock back ten years. While azure might be a nice color, I'm tired of the name already. SteveB, if given the opportunity would name everything Windows. I say go with it, Windows Lightning, a service hosted in a cloud... 

    Where is the darn AppStore Ray? Deveopers in general are an impossible group of people to please, so are consumers. Both want tomorrow today. Enterprise people on the other hand, are change adverse. They want yesterday tomorrow, without the bugs. All three would be kept busy with a Windows AppStore.

    -Josh

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    SlackmasterK

    , JoshRoss wrote

     

    All three would be kept busy with a Windows AppStore.

    -Josh

     

    And say goodbye to controlling your installation/environment, goodbye to installing whatever you want, goodbye to debug mode.  At least if they model it after Apple's wildly successful PITA.

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    JoshRoss

    @SlackmasterK: I haven't been able to control my installation since commercial software venders started rolling their own anti piracy measures. Name one application, that you paid for, that doesn't have a serial number and or online activation.

    The free stuff will likely stay free, for a short while still. As will the viruses and crapware that either installs itself onto my environment or refuses to uninstall nicely.

    Microsoft does not have to create a curated environment, like Apple has. But it would be nice to see who created my software, know that it is licensed properly, and have a uniform update mechanism.

    As a developer, it would be nice to get stats on how my software is used and what kind of problems it has in production-- something like EQATEC Analytics -- and a better way to monetize usage and features.

    -Josh

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    Ian2

    What Josh said.

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    jamie

    FRIGGIN HURRAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    what a pointless - * kissing LOSER

     

    edit:  so is there a job opening or what?

    Here is my RAY-seme:

    "My goal would be to leverage the cloud to business - to help them chisel all consumers to pay monthly - to never shed the belief that software should be free... to impose and restrict core ... BZZZZTTTT

    what? im fired?  already?

     

    sheesh..and i was just getting STARTed!

     

    edit: ps ..bill....

     

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    jamie

    actually - that was too nice...

    good ridance you corpoprate bloodsucking goof

     

    im sure you did well - kudos for your ... ingenouity (sp) 

    Lets face it - ray made out like a bandit. im sure he got lots of pay and lots of stock/opions/ the good kind. *(the ones that you dont have to wait for)

    Meanwhile...In the real world....

     

    MS is TANKING.... you dont have to listen to a fan on the interwebs... the company is literally falling apart.

    FIRE BALLMER NOW

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    jamie

    the ozz-man leav-ith.

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    ryanb

    That sounds like good news.  The CSA is supposed to be the driving vision behind the whole company ... and that seems to be something that was severely lacking in recent years.  From his very rare public appearances, I never got the impression that he had much vision or drive behind much of anything, other than a weak and single-minded cloud strategy.  Yawn indeed.

    Ballmer's decision not to backfill the position is more disturbing, just like not backfilling positions in the mobile/entertainment division.  He seems to be back in the mode of taking over everything himself, which does not bode well for the Company.  MS needs a good technical visionary to guide the ship, and Ballmer is simply not the guy for that job.  They should put someone like ScottGu in there.

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    kettch

    @ryanb:I think the CSA is a good position for a company like Microsoft to have. The CEO should be good at business but should leave the technical stuff to somebody who can handle it.

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    Bas

    Wow. That's a crazy amount of hate in this thread. I can't say I feel either way about this myself. I'm sure he did some good, but what exactly did he accomplish? Mesh?

    I'd like Scottgu to stay where he is. I'd miss him in the development division.

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    Charles

    @Bas: I agree. Why so much negativity? Man...

    In terms of the role of CSA... It is certainly not that of driving the vision of the entire company. The primary responsibility is to ensure the engineering divisions across the company are aligned, technologically.

    Ray was one of our visionaries with respect to cloud computing and the programmable web. He did great things here, even if you don't know what they are...

    C

     

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    JoshRoss

    @Bas: I like the guy, from the limited exposure that I have had. Most of the issues that I find frustrating are things that have been around for many years. It takes a few product cycles to flush the toilet and I feel that he didn’t have the time, during his short tenure to pull the handle enough times.

    Who knows the impetus for his exodus. However, I can tell you it wasn’t technical incompetence on his part.

    -Josh

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    exoteric

    @jamie: Do you have some kind of vendetta against the guy you once designed a t-shirt for? I don't know what kind of impact Ray did or didn't have on the company. I can't reasonably attribute all the bad things to him (or Ballmer) you do. I just like to see "pragmatic visionaries" at the helm of Windows, .NET, etc. because those products matter to me and obviously a whole lot of other people.

    I like to hear people like Bill Buxton talk. On one hand he sounds slightly arrogant but on the other hand he knows his history and has clear vision and direction. He is less fascinated by the successes of the competitors than by their failures to go further. I think people like that are the kind of people to lead the company but not necessarily at the very top of the mountain.

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    spivonious

    After watching that Bill Buxton video, I'd say put him in Ray's old spot. He seems like he would push MS to do something revolutionary, rather than just desperately playing catchup to Apple and Google.

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    kettch

    @spivonious:I like that idea. Ray got the whole company started up the stairway to the cloud. Bill Buxton could be the guy to really push NUI and his other ideas across product lines and turn out something eye popping.

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