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Returning Microsoft Surface RT

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    ManipUni
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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    @ManipUni:

    LOL!

    I think the kickstand angle was designed for airplane use by short people, because the screen hardly goes back at all. It's probably perfect for Danny DeVito when he puts it on the seat back tray in coach class, but for me on a desk, it's too steep.

    And how tall is Sinofsky again? Another "win" for Mr. No Comprise.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    In reading the article completely it underscores my concerns with the "new Microsoft" and the directions they went with a "devices" OS. While Microsoft fanbois will excuse the issues with RT and the hardware and the apps and the... you get the idea; the fact remains this poor out-of-box experience is too little too late -- especially with their own software like Word. ARM is just too underpowered for Windows. They should have release the Courier and/or WP7 tablet edition long ago to at least give the Windows RT effort some time to mature before kicking WP7(CE) to the curb. They could have kept the WPF/SL dream alive a little longer to boot. They needed to hit a home run here but instead it looks like they bunted -- just like the Zune and WP7 before it. Sure it's early for calling Windows RT a failure but when there is so much low hanging fruit for trolls on Microsoft's "premium" tablet the tea leaves aren't that hard to read.

    I'm glad Microsoft is hedging its bets by coming out with Office for iOS and Android. If they can extend services (Azure and everything on it such as SkyDrive) to all devices regardless of OS then they have a chance to stay relevant. They've always been great on the backend and with productivity tools. Let's hope down the stretch that they double down on those aspects of the business and provide us developers with tools to help us bridge the divide of the heterogeneous device world they helped create with their failures to keep Windows and the PC relevant.

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    Bas

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    JoshRoss

    The only reason why this guy bought this was so he could film it, post it to youtube and then profit. If you are not a developer or journalist, then you wouldn't have ever bought one of these.

    These shouldn't have been offered to anyone without a MSDN account or press credentials. With the nonexistence of information available during pre-order, I have to imaging that it would be impossible to call fraud. You would need some idea of what you were getting and then not get it.

    But hey, we're talking about it. There is a school that says any PR is good PR.

    -Josh

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    @Bas: Defender of the Faith you missed a one: "No Chrome Even if it Hurts". I'd throw in "Disingenuous" but that was Andy's word that I hijacked. Also I'd put in a crossed out "Metro" above Windows Store Apps; I don't dislike the apps just the name -- well ok I do dislike most of Microsoft's first party apps. Oh and could you add in something about killing WPF/SL? Also "Fart App" should be plural. Thanks.

    Those issues aside that's a great summary. Mind if I use it elsewhere? I think it makes a fair assessment of W8.

     

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , JoshRoss wrote

    The only reason why this guy bought this was so he could film it, post it to youtube and then profit. If you are not a developer or journalist, then you wouldn't have ever bought one of these.

    These shouldn't have been offered to anyone without a MSDN account or press credentials. With the nonexistence of information available during pre-order, I have to imaging that it would be impossible to call fraud. You would need some idea of what you were getting and then not get it.

    But hey, we're talking about it. There is a school that says any PR is good PR.

    -Josh

    So none of the points he made were valid? Do you think that Microsoft should have announced that Word would be slow, the Mail app would be as crappy as we've all complained about in the previews, etc. as information provided during the pre-order? Absolutely ridiculous. RIM gets a lot of press these days too...

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    JoshRoss

    Maybe it's possible that Sinofsky released this as-is to give the OEMs a fighting chance this holiday season.

    One of the things that I took away from Lars' talk was to benchmark every single check-in, on every single platform, all the time or you will die from a thousand little cuts.

    I used to run Microsoft Word on my 386DX 33Mhz. So, I have to imagine that someone is just holding it wrong

    B I N G O

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    JoshRoss

    , DeathBy​VisualStudio wrote

    *snip*

    So none of the points he made were valid? Do you think that Microsoft should have announced that Word would be slow, the Mail app would be as crappy as we've all complained about in the previews, etc. as information provided during the pre-order? Absolutely ridiculous. RIM gets a lot of press these days too...

    They were all valid. But they were also completely predictable. Peoples complaints about the Mail App have been falling on deaf ears since day one. And, that is a simple app compared to Word.

    -Josh

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    Alena

    Will be available version with 3G/4G?

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    ManipUni

    @JoshRoss: What the holy hell are you even talking about? So Microsoft released a device into the consumer market, a consumer purchased it, found several very valid problems and now it is his fault for not being better qualified? And how does being better qualified/a pro even fix any of them?   

    Also you accuse him of trying to "profit" from the issues while at the same time agreeing that all the issues are completely valid complaints? Make up your mind. Either they are or they aren't and he is just trying to get clicks. 

    That is one of the worst posts I've ever seen trying to defend a product. It isn't just an unreasonable defence but it is so far gone it is literally beyond my being able to comprehend how your brain could come up with the "he isn't a developer so the fact that Word doesn't save is HIS fault. He isn't a tech-journalist so it is HIS fault that Word is slower than his typing speed."

    Seriously, I really hope you're trolling.  


    The only reason why this guy bought this was so he could film it, post it to youtube and then profit. If you are not a developer or journalist, then you wouldn't have ever bought one of these.

    These shouldn't have been offered to anyone without a MSDN account or press credentials. With the nonexistence of information available during pre-order, I have to imaging that it would be impossible to call fraud. You would need some idea of what you were getting and then not get it.

    But hey, we're talking about it. There is a school that says any PR is good PR.

    -Josh

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    PaoloM

    @ManipUni: Sarcasm. Learn it, live it. Smiley

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    spivonious

    I have to assume his is faulty. None of the reviews I read mentioned anything about the slow typing, or difficulty saving documents, or even difficulty setting up the mail account.

    I have trouble believing a random blogger on the web when everyone else is saying otherwise.

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    MasterPi

    @spivonious:I have a feeling it's updating in the background (to RTM?). That's the same sort of lag I experienced when I tried the CP...it was updating components in the background as I was trying to type. But after it was done updating, everything was smooth. Sadly he returned it because it probably would have been better after all the updates were done.

    But yes, it's not good that they shipped RT with the consumer preview.

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    MasterPi

    @Bas: Aw, but then winning comes to down to whoever is faster at saying Bingo. Sad

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    DCMonkey

    It took mail 13 seconds to launch the first time on my 2.4GHz Core2Duo...

    3.8 Your app must meet the basic performance criteria on a low-power computer

    • The app must launch in 5 seconds or less

    lol

    PS: It couldn't find my settings either because my Live ID's domain and my ISP's current domain don't match. If it's spending some part of that 13 seconds trying to figure this out, then it should tell you what it is doing and not just sit on the loading screen (or a blank white screen In the blogger's case) while it spins its wheels.

     

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    magicalclick

    The stand angle is indeed one of my concern. But, it is not a major factor.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    JoshRoss

    @ManipUni: Caveat emptor.

    Anyway, back to the regularly scheduled bickering...

    What the holy hell are you even talking about? So Microsoft released a device into the consumer market, a consumer purchased it, found several very valid problems and now it is his fault for not being better qualified? And how does being better qualified/a pro even fix any of them?   

    Saying this is a consumer device is like saying used car salesmen are honest. I'm sure there is some truth in it. The problems that he encountered would not have been mitigated by any qualifications. Rather, as a developer, working on something that is clearly a work-in-progress, there is a lower expectation of initial quality. Many developers are eager to try something new for the privilege of finding and reporting bugs to the appropriate channel. These behavioral traits differentiate MSDN subscription holders from the general consumer.

    Also you accuse him of trying to "profit" from the issues while at the same time agreeing that all the issues are completely valid complaints? Make up your mind. Either they are or they aren't and he is just trying to get clicks. 

    Yes. These two acts are completely orthogonal. I think the banality of the findings intensifies the attractiveness of the videos. The most shocking things in life are right under our finger tips.

    That is one of the worst posts I've ever seen trying to defend a product. It isn't just an unreasonable defense but it is so far gone it is literally beyond my being able to comprehend how your brain could come up with the "he isn't a developer so the fact that Word doesn't save is HIS fault. He isn't a tech-journalist so it is HIS fault that Word is slower than his typing speed."

    Seriously, I really hope you're trolling.  

    Blame and fault are kind of loaded terms, so is stupid. You haven't used stupid, so I will. Anyone that buys one of these, and has any expectation of quality beyond the click sound that is produced by the kickstand or the keyboard, is stupid.

    All that I know is that almost nothing was known about this device when it was made available for sight-unseen sale. The only conceivable scenario, that my brain can concoct, regarding the purchase of something like this, with the diminutive amount of information available, would be if the buyer were a developer or journalist. The developer would use it to develop and the journalist would use it to engage in journalism.

    Again I would like to be clear on this, Surface looks buggy as hell, and it is my opinion that it should not be sold to people, who by means of marketing, have expectations of quality beyond what has been presented.

    -Josh

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