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Shouldn't Microsoft buy EPISERVER Company?

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    davidjeba

    I think it would be a great advantage for microsoft if it can make EPISERVER opensource and push it to Xamarin Team

    Terrific it would be...

    there are very very Oh Wait! Theres no Opensource Web Platform in dotnet BETTER than Magento and Wordpress in dotnet

    Nopcommerce, Dotnet Nuke are there but EPISERVER is way ahead of any ecommerce platform out there

    Open Source Episerver + Xamarin will be a better product than Hybris for sure

     

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    TheTraveler

    Microsoft already has a content management system. It is called SharePoint. They used to have a separate product called Microsoft Content Management Server, but that has been merged with SharePoint many years ago. 

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    figuerres

    Microsoft already has a content management system. It is called SharePoint. They used to have a separate product called Microsoft Content Management Server, but that has been merged with SharePoint many years ago. 

    Share Point: well *if* you can afford that thing....  we looke dinto using it at one time and found that it needs way to much hardware and software .....   as i recall a "basic" share point was like 3 windows server licenses plus 3 share point server licenses plus a sql server license.

    and that was just the small setup .....  would have been like 30,000 USD to launch the thing.... and that was just the start.

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    TheTraveler

    @figuerres: True. The old Content Management Server cost even more btw and it was selling like hot cakes. 

    That said, there is a free version called SharePoint Foundation that has the publishing feature (which is want you could call for the "cms" part of SharePoint) and there is an online version also. So it is not entirely true that it cost USD 300.000 to get started

    But it will probably end up costing you that (or way more) in development cost ... and that was just the start as you said.

    Expensive for sure, but still good value if you are large corporation that uses the office suite.


     

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    kettch

    @TheTraveler: You could always do what they did where I work. :P  They declared SharePoint too expensive and went with DotNetNuke. Then they proceeded to spend waaay more than it would have cost to license SharePoint in order to make DNN actually functional. They have DNN, which is terrible, and lots of goofy add-ons, all terrible, and they still don't have anything remotely equivalent to the basic SharePoint list.

    We gave it a fair shake, but eventually the team I'm in rebelled and licensed SharePoint for our own use. We also have a pool of licenses we bought so that we can collaborate with our customers.

     

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    TheTraveler

    @kettch:ha ha ... what they expect from something that has grown out of the very first asp.net sample, Microsoft used for showing how to make a simple asp.net web application. 

    Open Source is not always the cheapest option.

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    davidjeba

    Open Source is not always the cheapest option.

     

    Opensource is defenitly Cheaper solution but the strength of opensource is FREEDOM

    this freedom comes with scores of support

     

    there are paid version of Magento, DNN, and other CMS

    but its the open source version of the same product which gains developers support

    computer graduates choosing dot net has declined 80% and more in my city [cant comment about other areas]

    startups, smb all prefer going open source, not because of its free. it is because of the availability of extensions, tutorials, and expert knowledge support.

    SharePoint is an enterprise portal it is not a flexible for developers

    SharePoint needs a team where WordPress needs just one developer

    Microsoft should have a paid version of EPISERVER like CMS and a Community Edition of the Same

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    TheTraveler

    *snip*

    the strength of opensource is FREEDOM



    Freedom to do what? Mess with the internal part of the software? Is that it?

    If that what you have to do in order to get the open source software to work for you, then I will question if it will be a cheaper solution in the end - compared to purchase a license to a piece of software that has a manual and a support option

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    davidjeba

    *snip*

    Freedom to do what? Mess with the internal part of the software? Is that it?

    If that what you have to do in order to get the open source software to work for you, then I will question if it will be a cheaper solution in the end - compared to purchase a license to a piece of software that has a manual and a support option

     

    it depends on the developer

    If the developer choose to mess with the core for the sake of his customizations its his problem

    but a developer will/should have freedom to EXTEND the application to his needs 

     

    lets talk about developers freedom in terms of extensibility/customization

     

    1.Can you develop a hotel/flight booking website?

    Wordpress - YES $$$

    Nopcommerce - hmmmm... Yes! But I dont know actually, Maybe i Can $$$$$

    Sharepoint - $$$$$ What? $$$$$$ $$$$$ How? $$$$$$ $$$$$ Maybe? $$$$$$ $$$$$ Yes? $$$$$$ $$$$$ But? $$$$$$ 

     

    2.Can you develop a simple b2c marketplace like Amazon?

    Wordpress - YES $$$

    Nopcommerce - hmmmm... Yes! But I dont know actually, Maybe i Can $$$$$

    Sharepoint - $$$$$ What? $$$$$$ $$$$$ How? $$$$$$ $$$$$ Maybe? $$$$$$ $$$$$ Yes? $$$$$$ $$$$$ But? $$$$$$ 

     

    3.Can you develop a website for news portal/technology blog?

    Wordpress - YES $$$

    Nopcommerce - hmmmm... Yes! But I dont know actually, Maybe i Can $$$$$

    Sharepoint - $$$$$ What? $$$$$$ $$$$$ How? $$$$$$ $$$$$ Maybe? $$$$$$ $$$$$ Yes? $$$$$$ $$$$$ But? $$$$$$ 

     

    This is why Microsoft needs an Open Source Offering like EPISERVER or Znode etc

    its not going to be a financial blunder like Nokia

    it will be beneficial for Xamarin Team and Azure for sure

     

    Infact micrsoft can offer a hosted saas web portal platform where customers can spin off a webapp and push their product and go live [Like shopify]

    well, im into retail. i hope my voice and tone can be understood by other small budget retail chains

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    cheong

    Actually, taking "SharePoint is a simple webserver that can host any web solution that can be hosted on IIS" into consideration, a lots of what you suggested would be "the same as WordPress" + "cost of people who know how to glue them together".

    I did work in a company that uses OpenText on SharePoint server as workflow system. When they upgraded the SharePoint server, I just write a few aspx pages to glue things up and it continues to work.

    Also, there are a number of free opensource e-Commerce website for .NET in the wild (Try search "asp net b2c marketplace free"). Why would it cost $$$$$? Same as above, you will only need someone who know how to glue them up.

    And btw, "news portal" is built in feature of SharePoint that don't even require a programmer to support (you can add that as long as you can use Excel), why would it cost $$$?

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    kettch

    @davidjeba: Being able to extend software isn't exclusive to open source software. I extend proprietary software all the time. It's just a matter of the vendor providing extensibility points. There have been plenty of times when I've wanted to extend open source software and discovered that there was no native extensibility and that I would have to write the desired functionality into the core of the application and possibly lose my ability to take updates. At that point, it's not different than proprietary software that can't be extended.

     

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    davidjeba

    @kettch:

     

     

    my statement is that out of an imaginary marketshare of 10million software users

    only 10% might have forked their own version of customization

    75% of the opensource users will TRY to avoid forking an opensource

    15% will take a balanced risk of extending and not overriding the core

     

    so, if Microsoft has two products

    Sharepoint [Closed source]

    EPiserver like [Open Source]

    there will be

    90% of the users who will benefit from the opensource

     

    My point is:

    Microsoft opensourcing xamarin is a great gift to the community

    Microsoft should gift an enterprise level website framework to the community as well

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