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    ZippyV

    , vesuvius wrote

    Visual Studio 2012 sales have plummeted.

    Source?

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    Michael Butler

    I suppose when you've shipped two versions of Windows, a few versions of Office then there isn't much challenge left for a guy at Microsoft. Be interested to see what he does next.

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    wastingtime​withforums

    , MasterPie wrote

    The sad part is when people will try to spin this as representative of Windows 8/Surface sales...

    As much as I hate Windows 8, even I got to admit that the thing is still too recent to project sales for the holiday season and beyond.

    I've read some interesting comment on mini-msft:

    I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the EU mess yet. Sinofski was given responsibility by the board for ensuring that MS stayed compliant with the agreement regarding browser choice in Windows. Now, MS is facing a possible 10 BILLION dollar enema by the EU because Sinofski couldn't be bothered by something as trivial as a check box in Windows. Good riddance.

    Sinofsky was responsible for the browser's choice dialogue, really? If yes, then wow, he botched this with W7 SP1 badly.

    I guess he thought that Windows 7 was "dead" by this point anyway (like 7's gadgets) so why bother..

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    Ian2

    Stunning.

    My personal hope is that now things at Microsoft can begin to move away from the new 'Apple way of doing things' (which I suspect he may have been behind?).

    That said, I do wish him well. 

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    Congrats to Julie Larson-Green!

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    Craig_​Matthews

    , OrigamiCar wrote

    @DeathByVisualStudio: I think you should get the job Death. Show us what an AMAZING job you would do with Windows 9, you clearly have all the answers... They spew from your orifices every time you post here...

     

    @EveryoneElseOtherThanTheTrollAbove:

    ...

    Dude, seriously? You directly get on someone's case who hasn't even posted to this thread and call that person a troll? That entire paragraph is trollish behavior and everyone knows it.

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    TexasToast

    Well when I did NOT see him at Build I thought it was very weird and I asked where he was?   I think he did his job but he did screw up alot of things with his stubborn attitude.

    The bright side .

    1.  Start Button comes back.  Stupid to take it out for no good reason.  Sinofsky?

    2.  Desktop ignored.  Make a good tablet but dont mess with the best thing to come out of Microsoft . The desktop.   Bring back 3D and make buttons look like buttons.  Flat sucks. If Sinofsky stayed any longer we would be back to playing a black and white version of Pong.

    3.  Other groups get some love.  Yes windows is important but so is xbox, office, azure, server products, business apps (vesivus lets bring back WPF/silverlight),  embedded apps (I do them and although they are not a high visibility app but used in suprising places).

    4.  Timing is right for Bill Gates to come back.   I think he has already wiped out some diseases.  No disease is spreading more than the Applism.  It needs to be wiped out.

    5.  There are some very bright guys at Microsoft and they need to have some more power.  Hopefully this will create a new openness and maybe like Ian said some true leadership and not following the crowd attitude.

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    SteveRichter

    What has Julie Green done that qualifies her for such a high position in the company?  I do not think Office is very good at all. It is certainly brutal as a programming platform.  At least Sinofsky appeared to have advanced the windows OS with WinRT and siloing of apps.  Anders should run the company.

     

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    TexasToast

    @SteveRichter: I think Julie Green is just a temporary move until a big reorg comes through.   They are looking for big players now.

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    RobGreenly

    It is so unfortunate. Steve Ballmer just did not recognize what he had. Microsoft had a genuine chance of having the next Steve Jobs in their rank, and jealousy raised its ugly head.

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    wastingtime​withforums

    , RobGreenly wrote

    Microsoft had a genuine chance of having the next Steve Jobs in their rank, and jealousy raised its ugly head.

    The poor-man's Steve Jobs maybe.

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    RobGreenly

    *snip*

    The poor-man's Steve Jobs maybe.

    A true revolutionary would have haters. Look at his body of work: Office, Windows. Two of the most profitable units at Microsoft.

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    wastingtime​withforums

    , SteveRichter wrote

    I do not think Office is very good at all. It is certainly brutal as a programming platform.

    You're aware that before 2009, Sinofsky was the Office guy?

    , SteveRichter wrote

    At least Sinofsky appeared to have advanced the windows OS with WinRT and siloing of apps.

    WinRT is even less powerful than WPF in its current state. So.. And the "apps"? Wake me up when Office gets ported, which will take a while, a long while, I guess. Freeware like Bluestacks offers a more sane way to run these kind of "apps" on full-fledged PCs than what Sinofsky did. "Yes, ma'am, this sorry ad-ridden weather gadget thingie needs to occupy the whole 23 inch screen!"

    What should have been done long ago is finally implemening a sane, standardized update-process for desktop programs (you know, the ones 99.9% of the Windows users depend on), without relying on a myriad background services.

    With the store, this could have been done quite easily, but the SinMan decided not to.

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    spivonious

    , TexasToast wrote

    Well when I did NOT see him at Build I thought it was very weird and I asked where he was?   I think he did his job but he did screw up alot of things with his stubborn attitude.

    The bright side .

    1.  Start Button comes back.  Stupid to take it out for no good reason.  Sinofsky?

    2.  Desktop ignored.  Make a good tablet but dont mess with the best thing to come out of Microsoft . The desktop.   Bring back 3D and make buttons look like buttons.  Flat sucks. If Sinofsky stayed any longer we would be back to playing a black and white version of Pong.

    3.  Other groups get some love.  Yes windows is important but so is xbox, office, azure, server products, business apps (vesivus lets bring back WPF/silverlight),  embedded apps (I do them and although they are not a high visibility app but used in suprising places).

    4.  Timing is right for Bill Gates to come back.   I think he has already wiped out some diseases.  No disease is spreading more than the Applism.  It needs to be wiped out.

    5.  There are some very bright guys at Microsoft and they need to have some more power.  Hopefully this will create a new openness and maybe like Ian said some true leadership and not following the crowd attitude.

    1. Why do we need a start button? Windows key, hardware button, swipe from right click Start, click lower left corner on desktop. Are four options not enough?

    2. I actually prefer the new flat appearance on the desktop. But sure, put the old Vista-era Aero as an option. Should we include Luna too?

    3. How are they not getting love? Xbox has a new machine coming out next year and had major dashboard updates recently. Office just had a new version come out. Azure had a whole keynote speech dedicated to it at Build. Server/Tools is always busy working on new stuff.

    4. Gates is the reason Microsoft is so far behind. He could not get past slapping the same old desktop UI on everything. I'd rather he stay with his charity.

    5. I do agree with this. MS needs to dump their performance evaluation system and start letting the guys in Microsoft Research have a bit more power over the direction of the company. Ballmer needs to step down and someone who is more of an engineer and less of a salesman needs to be CEO.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , OrigamiCar wrote

    @DeathByVisualStudio: I think you should get the job Death. Show us what an AMAZING job you would do with Windows 9, you clearly have all the answers... They spew from your orifices every time you post here...

     

    Awww... my post was deleted. It has such a sad short life.

    Just waiting for the call from Microsoft... Thanks Origami for the vote of confidence. Can I use you as a reference?

    If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
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    wastingtime​withforums

    , spivonious wrote

    *snip*

    1. Why do we need a start button? Windows key, hardware button, swipe from right click Start, click lower left corner on desktop. Are four options not enough?

    Why do you need forks and knives? You have fingers, feet, teeth (can't you just move your head down?!), chopsticks.. Are four options not enough?

     

    , spivonious wrote

    2. I actually prefer the new flat appearance on the desktop. But sure, put the old Vista-era Aero as an option. Should we include Luna too?

    Why using ubiquitous 3D acclerators when I prefer the DOS look?

     

    , spivonious wrote

    4. Gates is the reason Microsoft is so far behind. He could not get past slapping the same old desktop UI on everything. I'd rather he stay with his charity.

    Oh, ok, this is a logic test I guess. it apparently goes like this:

    Putting desktop UIs on phones is bad, BUT putting phone GUIs on desktops is a winner! Who knew. Have they included this one in intelligence tests around the world already? I am sure you could filter out the losers from the stars with this one once and for all.

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    Ted.w

    he was conspicuously absent from //build 2012

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    Richard.Hein

    I was very surprised at the absence of Sinofsky at //build/ and everything else lately, and had the sneaking suspicion that things weren't going well for him ... Ballmer doing the demo was cool, but seemed like something Sinofsky would normally *love* to do, and to have that taken away from anyone else other than Ballmer would have definitely seemed off. 

    Anyways, I think Sinofsky made a lot of mistakes but really did a great job overall, and Windows 8 and Surface is a culmination of more than a decade of R&D and a solid vision of how the ecosystem should interoperate.  It was hard to see, now it's easy to see that it will work out very nicely.  Those of you who haven't tried Windows RT with a tablet or touch screen ... you're missing out ... believe me I wasn't too keen on it until I got ahold of a Surface RT.  

    I am inclined to believe Sinofsky when he says it's his choice, only because it is so soon after the launch of Windows 8 and Surface that I find it hard to imagine that Ballmer was so impatient and willing to stir things up at this time.  Perhaps he decided he was going to move on because Ballmer isn't going to hand over the reins and he's finally accepted that.  Maybe he's just tired of 23 years of trying to get people to do what he wants. Maybe he wants to leave on a high note. 

     

     

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    Ted.w

    Sinofsky was the one that pulled the plug on ARM desktop apps just under a year ago.  Perhaps this is the punishment he gets.  ARM desktop apps would have made the platform fly.

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